Tuesday, November 29, 2005

Quixtar Playbook # 7

An IBO commented here. Their comment is in bold.

to Loser:

My brother, Salaam alaikum,

Walaikum Salam, uh...sister!

I just want to say if you had spent half as much energy in building your business as you do maintaining this blog and feeling sorry for yourself you would have succeeded.

Sister, straight from playbook? My IT consulting, part time business is making good money. Alhamdullillah!

If your uplines told you to leave your family if they were negative about quixtar then that was wrong on your upline's part and they are to blame only. you fail to realize that uplines are INDEPENDENT business owners. Therefore they are under control of no one but themselves and they are mere humans capable and highly probable to make mistakes.

Nope. They do so because they think it is right. Quite common in many Quixtar LOS. It's no mistake. That's how Quixtar works.

For your information at the last Richmond Virginia function that my husband attended 4 people took shahada and became muslim. That is relatively small number and i wont say that this business is a way to Boost conversions but it surely doesnt prevent you from doing dawah either. dawah can be done in any profession or lack of one as well. dawah is spread by one person actually practicing their faith and inspiring others. whether by preaching or by simple example. Not everyone is good at inspiring others to become muslim. I know plenty of "muslims" that make me ashamed to call them my brothers and sisters. perhaps you are like them and thats why you didnt bring anyone to islam. or maybe its your "oh poor me" attitude that turned them off. Quitters are not inspirational. and neither are those who spread lies. you want to blame quixtar because you didnt stick to it. or because your uplines who are not controlled by quixtar made human mistakes. get over it. you were simply with a team that wasnt right for you. or maybe you expected to get rich quick. there is no such business. ALL BUSINESSES TAKE HARD WORK AND TIME TO GET OFF THE GROUND BEFORE THEY BECOME SUCCESSFUL. Every new walmart operates in the red for hte first 2 years. most franchises do. does that mean that mcdonald's is a scam? does that mean that walmart is a scam? does that mean that every chain market is a scam? NO it doesnt. it simply means that YOU werent good enough. YOU didn't have what it takes to build a big business with quixtar.

Any thing that you said? or straight from tapes?

If you don't want to call me brother, then don't. I prefer that way, honestly!

Regarding "Shahada" ceremonies, great! According to fatwa, Quixtar is itself haram. Research on "Al-Gharar".

you say thats your real picture on your profile... does that mean you are a goat?

its really embarrassing to have spineless liars for brothers in islam.

That post is a year old. I had my picture then. But good point ;)

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At 11/30/2005 11:27:00 AM, Anonymous Tony said...

Imran, Amber hit the Nail on the Head! but you Still don't see it. You still don't see that YOUR upline is not MY upline. You still think that because You had an upline that gave you bad advice or was unethical, that Everyone has a sponsor like that.
You seem like a halfway intelligent person, it just doesn't make sense that you think that way.

And Imran please, stop crying tapespeak - You're BETTER than that. Weak@$$ morons cry tapespeak. Its the LAMEST excuse to dodge refuting someones arguments!! She makes valid points, she states simple FACTS and you reply with 'any of that you or just from tapes'. Give Me a Break! Argue it! Refute it!

It becomes clearer and clearer why you didn't make it - you have "Victim Mentality". You may have books smarts, but sometimes you just have your head up your goat@$$.

Amber, everything you said was right on! And Imran couldn't say jacksh!t to rebut you.

At 11/30/2005 12:09:00 PM, Blogger Loser said...

Tony, I didn't use a single swear word. It reveals how much you've learned from "system". Apparently you need to learn a lot more. Strike 1.

I have a victim mentality against Quixtar, you have a victim mentality against this blog, what's the difference? Strike 2

There are forums filled with ppl having similar experiences with their uplines. What Quixtar is doing to fix it? Nothing! What's there to refute? Strike 3.

Adious Muchachos!

And as you are walking, there are statements from federal court judges saying same things about Quixtar. See Jona's Dad blog.

At 11/30/2005 12:24:00 PM, Blogger Joecool18 said...

Gee Tony, seems like almost everyone has a bad upline except for you.

That would explain why there are more critics than pro-Q posters on these boards.

At 11/30/2005 03:52:00 PM, Anonymous Tony said...

Well I'll be gosh darned Loser, I didn' know them there swe@r words got in yer britches. So me saying "weak@$$", and "jacksh!t" means I swung and missed the ball? Well heck, I guess all those foulmouth Critbots have struck out too!

I didn't say you have Victim mentality against Quixtar, I said you have Victim Mentality... period. I don't have VM against your blog - I just think your blog is cr@p - oops... I mean... POOP! I think you need to grow a backbone and move on. Really you shoulda just ignored your upline Bad advise or switch to a different team or just built it so big, you didn't have to deal with him. Pass your sponsor up, find someone you Can work with. Hmm, novel concept.

And no, there are blogs filled with Crybaby whiners looking to pass the buck and save face! Very few have a legitimate complaint, and its Never against Qx, just some Person who isn't following the 3 rules for biz and 3 rules for life. Winters team teaches that. Those who don't run their business ethically will be purged out.

Joe, no I'm not the only one, not by far. "Why there are more critbots than IBOs on blogs??" How many time do we have to cover this?? Do you have short-term memory loss or something. For the 5th time: most IBOs have better things to do than argue with narrow-minded or disgruntled critics!

This is human nature. I learn this in College:)! The average person is 4 times more likely to tell a friend about bad service they had at a restaurant than good service. Its human nature. So also Very previlent in our society to Not accpet responsibilty for Anything! It's always somebody else's fault! It so much easier to say, its a scam it doesn't work than to say, I just didn't do the necesarily things fo rhte necesary amount of time to make it work.

Now there are the few that have a real gripe, like my upline tried to steal my group, or my upline cheated with my wife, or told me to leave my fiance, etc. Once again, it was Your UPLINE - a PERSON - NOT QUIXTAR! Come on here and blast you Sponsor, not ME and MY TEAM!

Once again, MY TEAM teaches morals and values, we're not doing the things that I read about here, and I mean my whole Local team!... and teams I've met from other cities.

We also teach "follow the principle not the person!" Because people are human - they Can make mistakes!

No one even has a real problem with Qx - its with an Individual! Or some people like to bash the tools! DON't USE THEM! How simple is That?? If you thin the tools are a rip off, and the the seminars are a waste of time - Don't Buy it! Don't GO!

Where's the brain srugery in that? Is that rocket science?, am I a frickin genius to have figured that out?? I didn't buy a CD for 7 months! I missed meetings several times! My sponsor still worked with me. Someone would have worked with you.

At 11/30/2005 06:24:00 PM, Blogger Joecool18 said...


Your logic is flawed. You say people don't take responsibility and blame others for their failures, etc. Quite the contrary, I don't see many people who have blamed quixtar for anything. Sure, the critics have said that quixtar is a poor opportunity, but that's because the AMO/QMO's greedy kingpins have used their tools systems to bleed their downline for all they can get. That's not the same as blaming quixtar. Quixtar's rols in this is that they knew about the abuses (see Postma memo) yet they failed to take control of the situation.

Again, you say that your team is ethical. That's fine, I don't doubt you. What about the rest of us who didn't have an ethical upline?

Oh, and if it weren't for the more than 50% attrition rate, I wouldn't
have a problem with the term "working your way up", but the fact that most people never get there, losing money is a more appropriate term.

At 11/30/2005 10:11:00 PM, Blogger xanadustc said...


Correct me if I am wrong, but you are somewhere in Winters group. I have analyzed the tapes to a few of them over there and more to come. The Extreme Freedom Team is a joke. I hope your upline is not Doug Weir, he lies on his porsche video about a professional driver on a closed course. IT IS DOUG WEIR ON THE HIGHWAY!!!! (They let the camera slip). I will have that video detailed on my site in a few weeks.

What About Joe? Watch the continental divide video and he says that if you get a backbone, you can go Emerald and go with them. That is nice, so if I don't go Emerald I am a backboneless wimp condemned to hell because I have to put my wife to work?!? Sorry, but I have more friends with stay home wives than those with working wives. Curiously, the one with a working wife lost thousands of dollars in an MLM....curious.

It is nice to know that Quixtar is teaching other religions false, too. Their idea of 'christianity' is certainly not sound, i don't care how many people they claim to bring to the Lord...If you want to refute this, you have to read about the life and works of Charles Finney and demonstrate knowledge of it before I answer. Call it a homework assignment.

At 12/01/2005 03:37:00 PM, Blogger Joecool18 said...

We should qualify something here.

When a store like Walmart "operates in the red" for the first two years, it doesn't mean they are continuing to lose money for two years, it means they have not yet recouped their initial start up costs, etc.

When an IBO operates in the red, it is far more likely that they are continuing to lose money month after month, and year after year.

Walmart eventually makes back it's
investments. Sure, some IBO's do make up their costs and make big profits, but the vast majority of them do not.

At 12/01/2005 11:05:00 PM, Blogger Loser said...

Give me a break Tony. The zeal with which you go after blogs that don't agree with your business is not a Victim Mentality? Then what it is?

A person A say some thing in his home to his friends. A person B enters his home and tells him you have a victim mentality and don't talk about that issue. Well person B is bigger victim mentality than person A.

And what's up with you trying to sneak into Quixtar Blog? He banned you after a warning. It is like some one throwing you out of his home. Don't you have any respect for yourself? It is ironic that you are calling other people to have a back bone.

You feel like you're denied or something. But you have a problem of me speaking my mind in MY Blog? Every one has a right to say anything in America. Are you Nazi or something? Start your blog, say what you want. Heck, I'll help you there. Keep posting here, I don't mind. Try sceak into Quixtar Blog. I really like to see what QBlog does to you.

So lets see if you answer me:

Why don't you start your own blog?
Why you have a problem people voicing their ooinion, yet you are not happy if some one denies you to post in their blog?
Why you keep insisting your upline is best yet keep them secret? Be a man. Benifit the world telling them the "Last of the ethical uplines".

Lets see if Tony has enough courage to start his blog. My technical expertise are with him. He is himself good in photoshop, I admired his work.

At 12/02/2005 12:17:00 PM, Anonymous Tony said...

Actually Imran I did that pic in Paintbrush! Yea, old school - so you know I got skills ;) i'd love to see what I could do in Photoshop.

Anyways, I didn't sneak into qblog. He banned my IP, i figured if I tried to write something, he'd still see it. So i replied to something I didn't really agree with, thinking it wouldn't be posted, but that the gatekeeper himself would be notified of it, but my IP was not on the list - so I posted a couple of civil, non-vulgar messages and left. He blocked it again, no big deal, I was done.

You don't understand victim mentality. Victim mentality is not disagreeing with someone, its not accepting responsibilty for where you are. Its blaming your D+ in mathmatics on your teacher for not liking you. Its not playing on Varsity because the coach "is playing favorites" - its not making it in anything, because of "bad luck" or "the world is against you". Its not accepting responsiblity! Its blaming others - playing the "victim".

And I don't have a problem with you posting on your own blog!? Where did you get that? Anyone can post anywhere - my only problem is when people post Total BS! Outright lies and generalizations! "Qx is a scam" - NO its Not! Maybe you got screwed by your Sponsor... that does NOT make Qx a scam! Get the facts straight!

Once again, I'm not gonna give personal info of me, my sponsor or crossline on the Net. Especially not some critblog - (hey new word!)
Me giving his name isn't going to change anything.

People who meet him will know he is a good sponsor on their own. They don't need to read it here. What, like people are gonna move to my city to join his team? The people that join his team learn quick how awesome our team is. Me posting his name on this blog doesn't do anything.

At 12/02/2005 12:32:00 PM, Blogger Joecool18 said...

Tony, you may have a decent upline. However, over the years, million of people have passed through the business. Because the bottom line is that you need to sponsor people to go diamond, many unethical things have occurred and are still happening
as we speak. So with all the many unethical things that happened, Amway/Quixtar got the label of being a scam. A scam because innocent people were recruited into the business being called winners, future millionaires, etc. THen they realize the sad truth that they gave their best effort only to lose money (aka working your way up) and then they quit, only to then have people call them broke losers, destined for failure. Tony, that's why the business has the reputation of a scam.

Even if you say your upline is ethical, the unethical uplines were plentiful enough to create the scam label. And to add on that, far more people have lost money on amway/quixtar than have succeeded, which also makes the business appear as a scam.

So for a prospective IBO, how would they know who to join? How do we know who is ethical? There are unethical people all over the place. Yes, these unethical people probably exist in other companies, yet funny how former microsoft employees don't collectively call the company a scam.

In my opinion, an opportunity where the vast majority lose money is a scam.

At 12/02/2005 12:36:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT: Tony found Wikipedia. Oh boy, oh boy let's watch the Quixtar Talk page deteriorate into a sea of exclamation marks.

At 12/02/2005 04:39:00 PM, Blogger truth said...


I don't think Tony is in Doug Weir line but his is in Joe M. Of course that really doesn't matter because Doug does what Joe does. So apparently lying is a regular thing in the Joe M. organization.

Of course who are we kidding they teach lying in the entire BWW.

At 12/02/2005 06:04:00 PM, Blogger xanadustc said...

Tony>You don't understand victim mentality. Victim mentality is not disagreeing with someone, its not accepting responsibilty for where you are. Its blaming your D+ in mathmatics on your teacher for not liking you. Its not playing on Varsity because the coach "is playing favorites" - its not making it in anything, because of "bad luck" or "the world is against you". Its not accepting responsiblity! Its blaming others - playing the "victim".

X> You defined the victim mentality perfectly, Tony. I a lot of time studying the interworkings of dysfunctional families, which holds a lot of the role playing. Now, let me tell you this: in your case, you assume that the teacher was good, the coach was trustworthy and honest. We who have concerns about this this business are demonstrating facts which rise questionable points. All you have yet produced is a check to say that money can be made. I for one, do not deny that. I do have concerns about the system, particuly the 'high ethics' one you belong to. As for you, until you can give a solid and clear answer to these many questions about this business, you do not hold a position about credibility. I know that you certainly are not core, and are therefore, out of upline edification. You can not speak for the system. As for the Quixtar itself, i do not view it as the cult, but I do hold it accountable for the cults which comprise many of the MOs because they can remove those people from their system, but they fail to do so.

Outside of that, I have a few problems with MLM. These are all well researched elsewhere. Why don't you start with civally defending MLM against these general claims, which Quixtar ALL of them:

1. Cost of MLM products are generally much more expensive than that of competing products.

2. The money is in growth, so more emphasis is generally placed on recruitment over customer sales.

3. The markup on products for sale is generally too small to make a significant [i.e. living wage] profit.

4. The time required to build and maintain a network far exceeds the reward for doing so [especially since the MLM I know of with the highest retention rate is Reliv @ a little over 50%].

5. If you ever do succeed in turning a significant profit, it is always for having a large network of people who are making little if any money at all.

6. Statistically, 99.9% of people lose money in MLM.

At 12/05/2005 12:41:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why are you all arguing if quixtar is a scam? If you think it is a scam go look up audit records and do some real research. If you don’t think it is get off the site and work on building it because arguing here is going to be well worth your time. I don’t even know why I am posting this. I’m never going to look and see if any one responds I am just going to go to bed and continue to live my life as it happens. Have a nice life.

Post something like… Why is their brail on drive up ATM Machines?

At 12/05/2005 12:45:00 AM, Blogger Loser said...

:D Thanks for the laugh. There is brail in case you drive by and forgot you can see.

At 12/09/2005 04:35:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello everyone. I will tell you up front that I am affiliated with Quixtar. I am an IBO and glad to be one... ( I hope that there is no confusion now.)

After reading this blog (and please excuse the fact that I am not up to date on any of the current lingo) I want to let you guys know that I do not want to change any of your opinions. I am here to let you know how the business has affected me.

I have been in business for four years now and I have made a total of about $1,000 in bonuses from Quixtar my entire "career". And most of that has come from this past year. The reason I tell you this is because I want you to know that I am not trying to be MR QUIXTAR. I just want to make one point.

When I saw the FTC approved business plan I believed it. I figured that if it was approved by the FTC, partnered with Bass Pro, Disney, Office Max, etc., that it wasn't illegal. I understood the fact that it wasn't an illegal pyramid simply because if you have more 4% checks than your sponsor you will make more money. I also liked the joke about the legal pyramid!! Anyway, if it was approved by the FTC, partnered with reputable companies, and not a pyramid, I believed it. I got signed up and proceeded to do nothing while I was in college.

The only point I want to make right now is that I have seen many people pass me in my cross-line. And the reason they have passed me is because they have more volume moving through their businesses...and that does coincide with the fact that more people had to get in in order for the products to move. So, to me, as long as I get the numbers they show on the board plan, I can have what it is they show.

Well, I have said what it is I had to say. I will try to come back from time to time in order to check up on this blog I guess...I apologize for the anonymity...I am on the Winters Team as well and am glad to be. Take care and God bless.

At 12/13/2005 05:04:00 PM, Blogger Dreamer said...

Hello again...I have had a great insight. To all of you Quixtar distributors...stop spending your time here convincing these other guys how good we have it...They have made their choice and they will live with it. There are plenty more people out there not online here who need your help. Remember, we offer people the chance to change themselves. Don't worry about what is said here...let them have their freedom of speech. Just remember to dilute this negative with more positive. Listen to encourgement, read to make you as a person better.

Ignore all the posts after this message bashing everything I have said or the enemy will win. Remember what what your upline says...Get Started and Don't Quit. Remember, your success with Quixtar will only come from listening to those who have succeeded in Quixtar...not from someone who has quit (for reasons good or bad, they still quit). Take care and God bless.

For those of you who are convincing people not to be in Quixtar...give them something else that will help them with their current situation...some people really do need to make some more money. Try to help. Thanks. Good luck with the rest of your life.

At 12/13/2005 05:38:00 PM, Blogger Joecool18 said...

Why do so many people feel like if you warn someone of a scam, that you must offer an alternative?

Ok, well how about this? Why not sit at hom watching TV? That will cost you less than being core in quixtar. Volunteering at your church, getting a part time job, all will benefit you more than doing quixtar.

At 1/06/2006 02:05:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I understand that you may have had some problems with quixtar and honestly this business isn't for everyone. However if it wern't for getting into this business my husband and i would still be work dead end jobs with now chance to actually live a life and spend time with our children so i don't see how you can say quixtar sucks because you had no luck with it maybe you should have tried a little harder or actually listen to the tapes because i think you heard them but didn't actually listen to what was being said those tapes are my life as it was i can relate to what is being said i'm sorry that you felt that you couldn't but since i started this business i have changed as a person in whole and i'm glad i have.

At 1/09/2006 06:30:00 PM, Blogger Joecool18 said...

I'm glad you have achieved success in quixtar. What about the rest of the majority of IBO's who lose money because of the business and have less time to spend with family and friends because of the countless meetings and functions?

Seems that for every one IBO who succeeds, there are many more who lose.

At 1/11/2006 11:12:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regards to all your comments, I understand why some of you don't like Quixtar, it is because you are not salesman. I am a 24 multi-millionaire not involved with Quixtar but I should be, I work 80 hours a week and don't have time for a real life, at least there is an opportunity to offer you your time back, I have all the money in the world, but no time to spend it, those in Quixtar do

At 1/12/2006 12:48:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not really sure what the big deal is..... every one is acting like u lost ALOT OF MONEY!!. with quixtar. How is that??? ok so you paid some $ up front... how often have you blown that $ in a weekend and have no idea where it went??? so no big deal rite?? With quixtar u buy products, so u get what u pay for, just as if u walked into the mall and bought products. u give $ they give u a product. end of story. so ur upset that quixtar didnt reimburse u properly? U didnt make ur 100 points? and u didnt help others do the same?? Its kinda like u getting made at ur local qrocry store at thanksgiving bc u didnt get ur free turkey for spending 500$ at thier store. U only spent 300$. but u got products for ur 300$. so i guess i dont understand what the fuss is about. Its not like they robbed ur bank account and gave u nothing in return. U bought products u just didnt spend enough to ger ur free turkey....

At 1/12/2006 01:36:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please do excuse my misspelling in my previous post. I wouldn't want you to think I was uneducated. I am aware of the mistakes:)

I just have one more thing to add..........................

You do realize that u can pick apart any buisness and find their short comings, NONE of them are perfect if they were made for us they would give away stuff. No they are in it for the money....
Just a few examples.. American Eagle outfitters( a very profitable store) sells their torn jeans for over 50$. You can buy the same kind of jeans at a diffrent store for a lot less, but many people dont. So price shouldnt be and issue with your argument either.

Also u complain about your "upline" making people stop being friends with negative people around them.
Well THEY didnt make you do anything. The only person who can make me do anything is my mom.

I just dont get how you are so upset, how u lost so much $ and it was a scam. When you go to a casino and you try your skills at the card table and you lose, is that a scam?? U paid for a service, entertainment.

I guess it doesn't matter to me. I just get annoyed when I read negative things and such simple ideas, products and services. I have not one time complained about any store, product or service. I went to mcdonalds once and they forgot to put my hamburger in my bun!!! lol!! yeah it sucked. But i didnt go around telling people that my local mcdonalds wasn't smart enough to put a burger together.

Complain about something that matters.... Like war, violence, children dying.

If you must complain about a product, do it when something extreme happens like when your electric turkey cutter freaks out and cuts your arm off... that would be interesting. I wouldnt buy that product then.
I must be in the mood for turkey, mentioned it in both my blogs. As my tummy calls I must answer.
hope u dont start bashing me, just wondered what you are really mad about. dont think its quixtar

At 1/12/2006 05:31:00 PM, Blogger Joecool18 said...


It's not so much the products and what not. It's the lies and deception used by many IBO's in the recruiting process that is the crux of many critic's arguments.

If an IBO went up to a prospect and said look, "I'll sign you up, we're gonna make money off your purchases and from your involvement in the tools business, but if you can build a business like our upline diamond, then you too can share in the tools profits. Also, you will have to sacrifice some family time to work the business".

If the prospect was given the info up front and chose to sign up, then I would have no argument. Instead they are recruited by talk about residual income, financial freedom, etc. No one showing the plan ever tells their prospects that very few reach these levels, they only show what is "possible". Based on that, it's also possible to win the lottery if you have a ticket.

At 1/12/2006 09:01:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have been searching sites about quixtar-The Team for weeks. I have family members that have joined. They have been in it for 6 months. I have watched their lives change. they were a happy family before joining. They both had great jobs that they were happy with. Two children that they spent a great amount of time with, Since joining they are unhappy with their jobs and have no time to spend with the children. Where once they had the money to go to the movies or take a vacation. I now hear them yell at the children to turn off lights as they don't have the money to pay the light bill. I know it is a free country, and it is not against the law to be stupid, I wish someone could give me some advice as to how to help them see what they are doing.

At 1/12/2006 09:06:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regards again, I had made some comments earlier regarding this. Do any of you really understand how a business works. You have to build a business in order for it to produce money or cash flow. I am now 24 worth over 15 million. But hey guess what, they just didn't give it to me because I wanted it, I started my distributing company when I was 18, I made ends meat, but now since I have worked it for 6 years I am now one of the biggest micro-chip distributors in the world. Figure it out and stop whining about losing $1000 or ten bucks, define what you want and learn how to do it, I have kinda made it, but im not done yet, all you have to do is make it happen not cry that it didn't!!!!

At 1/13/2006 02:51:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello again, im the anonymous turkey girl. :) I'm not sure why i keep coming back to this site. to prove a point a guess. Yes, i did just join Quixtar and the people who 'recruited' me, as u say showed me the plan. Yes i saw the pyrimid. And when any one shows u the " legal pyrimid" they have u can see that ur upline makes $ off of u. unless ur dum u would catch that. I dont mind bc my up line is my friend and hey if i buy the same stuff at walmart y not buy it from my friend. No i havent listend to any of thier tapes or read thier books.
I dont need to. I see the $ i can make. MY WAY. Yeah i got to spend my $ that i already planned on spending being im a shopaholic and all. And ask my friends and family to do the same...
SO very few people make it to dimaond rite? well I wanna be one of those very few people!! Look at it like this.. Ur in a blue collar job and the company lied to u saying this job was a wonderful place, great workenviornment and you would make alot of money with them. what they didnt tell u is that u have to work alot of overtime to make that money ( which once again takes away from the family time) and the real big bucks is when u work ur way up through the company BUT there is only 4 spots at the top and 300 workers.... My thought again is i wanna be at the top.
Every job u work in the goal should be to move up.. this is the same thing. Every job u work in takes time from ur family.. Every job u work in takes time outa ur day. Every job u work in sucks!! No one is truly HAPPY at their job. Thats y they are jobs.
So y not try something diffrent? Y bash people who really have a goal who really wanna make it to the top. Im willing to work for it No not by conning people. I will show them exactly how it works. Or just by getting people to buy their school books from me whatever the case at least i tried. Not one time has anyone i spoke with told me i was gunna be rich in a few days... They said it was hard work and hey i 3 jobs now tryin to support my shopping habits:) Y not add another that i mite make a few bucks off of??? Some people are so narrow minded.. just b/c the people who introuced u to this do it one way. U dont have to. Im not a christian. nor will i change to be one. Actually i dont have a religion. I party on the weekends, Im not gunna start cold calling people, thats dum. But their is a loop hole in this where u dont have to recruit 100 people to make $.
Look at it whatever way u want i guess. i dont think the company did any thing wrong. Some of the people may have but hey who hasnt hated their boss???!!!???

At 1/13/2006 02:55:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

damn it i keep posting my thought and another comes into my head!!!...
Any ways, when ibo's do approach people about the buisness, why wouldnt they do thier research about the company??? I kno i did. so i guess those who join with thier eyes closed and get screwed its from thier own ignorance. Just b/c a guy tells me to hand over some of my $ to join thier club doesnt mean im not gunna look into it to see what thier club is about.

No one is to blame but yourselfs.

At 1/13/2006 03:26:00 PM, Blogger Joecool18 said...


Research is discouraged, or it was discouraged when I saw the plan. They tell you why not sign up now? All you'll do if not is get negative information from people who don't know the business.

Also, people are recruited by claims that anyone can do the business. That isn't true, not everyone can run an organization
and speak publicly. Problem is that prospects are not qualified before they see the plan. Many recruit have no business acumen, which is why so many quit or sign up and do nothing.

It's not so much bashing anything but simply informing information seeking prospects about what to expect so they can make an informed decision.

Lastly, if you havethe drive to succeed in quixtar, certainly you can find a better opportunity where products and services are more priced competitively.

At 1/13/2006 04:31:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I really do not care about quixtar or anything that has to deal with Quixtar. The problem I have is all of the lies that are fed into peoples head when they join Quixtar. She says that every business operates with a loss the first year. This is about as far from the truth as anything I have ever heard and I know that the information was told to her by her upline because I was fed the same thing. I worked at a Walmart when I was 16. I was there helping them stock shelves before the store opened. I know for a fact that Walmart did not lose a dime the first year it opened. I also know that McDonalds does not lose money when they open. If you get technical and take into account that they do not own the building or they are paying off the building and that is why they operate at a lose that is also crap. Even after paying for the building and all other expenses there is no way that every Walmart loses money their first two years of business. IBO's use Walmart as an example and tell lies about walmart because everyone know how succesfull the Walton family has been. It is just another ploy to lure people in to their money losing business.

At 1/13/2006 05:57:00 PM, Blogger Joecool18 said...

Many big stores like WalMart or McDonald's do not lose money for their first couple years. They may not have recovered their initial investment for a year, but once they open their doors and customers come in, they start making money.

If the IBO's were not lured in the teaching system under false pretenses, then the business would not be so bad.

At 1/17/2006 03:46:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

turkey girl here...

I never said walmart loses money the first year they are open... Hell no they dont they are a multibillion dollar corperation they wouldnt do something like that to risk losing money. Im not bashing walmart, or any other company. I just want to make money and be happy and so far so good.... :) Doesnt any one want more??? i kno i do. Im just trying whats so wrong with that?

At 1/18/2006 12:22:00 PM, Blogger Joecool18 said...

Nothing wrong with that, as long as people are not lied to in order for you to accomplish it.

At 1/20/2006 03:28:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

please do tell me what i would be lying about? with all this bickering back and forth i somehow lost ur point while i was proving mine. so u want me to make sure i tell them they need to hit 100 points,which in most cases costs about 250$. I need to tell them i make a % of that and that they make a % of that, and if they get other people to join and do 100 points every month they make a % off those people. am i right is that all that i would need to do to not be a liar? just checkin not tryin to be a smart ass

At 1/25/2006 02:06:00 PM, Blogger Joecool18 said...

Do you tell prospects that they will be expected to spend a couple thousand a year (to be core) so that upline can become filthy rich off tools income, and in return, upline will teach you how to run a quixtar business?

At 2/01/2006 10:53:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'Sup, guys.

It's Naitch again.

Rich DeVos himself attempted to destroy the illegal tools business in the early 1980's himself, however, he was forced into submission when the kingpins boycotted Amway products from their businesses; causing nearly a 1/3 decline in Amway's net worth overnight. Do not think that the corporation endorses "the business today" - I'm sure they hate it. But what can they do? They painted themselves into a corner with the IBO-system. Either allow the kingpins to rip-off their downlines or have nobody to sell the corporation's products and go bankrupt.

At 3/13/2007 01:40:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow Imran, A muslim sister trying to justify quixtar!!!!

Hey sister, I am a muslim too, consider me ur brother(if you are not ashamed). Anyways, I was an IBO for more than 18 months and I was in a different line of sponsorship than Imran, but his experience with quixtar is similar to mine. So your argument that only his upline was bad in very weak. This problem is pervasive in all LOS. And stop using the tapespeak, we can smell tapespeak faster than you!!!!

You try to talk about Islam and converting others, why don't you first stop lying. Quixtar business is based on lies(deceit) and Islam forbids lying. When you show the plan, do you tell the prospect about quixtar, its amway connection, the number of hours needed,hardwork needed to just break even. The tools that they have to buy for building their business, the fact that they may lose their friends and family if they join Quixtar. Do you tell them upfront, how much you make currently?

Stop fooling others for your own selfish desires, its a sin. Thats not a character of a good muslim.

At 5/29/2015 09:58:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Islam forbids lying about killing un armed Christians and cutting off their heads or burning people alive in cages is ok.It's a religion of hate not love.Stay away from it.It's a religion of the devil.


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