Tuesday, November 15, 2005

Find me disgruntled people



Find me disgruntled employees online, who think
  • Their job was a scam
  • They were wronged
  • Able to hold an intelligent argument regarding that topic.
  • What their opposition said? If any.
Find me ex Passport associates, who think
  • Passport is a scam
  • They were wronged
  • Able to hold an intelligent argument defending their assertion.
  • What their opposition said? If any.
Find me ex Avon associates, who think
  • Avon is a scam
  • They were wronged
  • Able to hold an intelligent argument defending their assertion.
  • What their opposition said? If any.
Enough said.

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19 Comments:

At 11/15/2005 01:45:00 PM, Blogger Joecool18 said...

Good post Imran. Ir's so true, you don't see the kind of opposition to practically anything like Amway/Quixtar. That incredibly bad reputation wasn't built in a day either.

Again, the problem may not be entirely quixtar but certainly the QMO's are the bigger problem. Quixtar's guilt is in having knowledge of the problems and not fixing it.

 
At 11/15/2005 03:29:00 PM, Anonymous Tony said...

What is Quixtar supposed to fix? Are they supposed to tell IBO's "don't educate or motivate other IBO's on your team?" Are they supposed to ban the sale of informational/educational/motivational CD's? Are they supposed to ban successful IBOs from holding Seminars, Conferences, etc? WHY? Because they COST too much? Well That's not valid, in comparison to what?

The last seminar I went to cost $10, to hear from an EDC! The last big 3day conference I went to, the ticket cost $100. I get flyers in the mail all the time from Franklin Covey about "1day seminars" about Motivation, or People Skills, or Setting Goals, etc. "for only $299!" And I can go to a 3day confernce for $90-100 and get ALL of that! and you guys want to call it a rip off??

And the CD's. What's a CD cost at Media Play? $15-19? What about instructional CD's at a bookstore? $10-15? What about college textbooks? $50-$150!! And $7.50 is too much for a CD, or $9 for a copy of 'Think and Grow Rich' is too much? And its all Optional!! Is that the 'problem' you're talking about?

Hey everyone, Joecool thinks college should be Free! How do you all feel about that? What Joe? You never said that?

So you think knowledge IS valuable and Worth paying for? Someone Should be compensated for their time and expertise? Well then why can't I decide to go to a $10 seminar, listen to a $7 CD, or read a $9 success book without some critic telling me thats its a "problem"??

 
At 11/15/2005 03:33:00 PM, Anonymous Tony said...

Oh, and FYI - just do a search on I hate ______ (anything) and you'll see there's Opposition to A LOT of companies and things out there... YOU Guys are just focused on Qx, thats why its all you see. Go ahead, do a search on I hate Microsoft, or GM, or Walmart, or P&G, or Ford, etc! You'll see their are Plenty of Hate sites out there!! Talk about putting blinders on!

 
At 11/15/2005 04:46:00 PM, Blogger Loser said...

So u can search, good, find me those examples :)

I'm not asking ppl who say I hate guys / women since they don't / can't hold an argument.

 
At 11/15/2005 06:20:00 PM, Blogger Joecool18 said...

Tony,

There may be some value in hearing from a diamond who "made it" in quixtar. I don't dispute that.

But my point is this: Imran's post suggests that Amway/Quixtar apprently has the most negative reputation. And it's well deserved. Quixtar knows that some of their AMO/QMO's have been making excessive profits at the exoense on unknowing IBO's and failed to take any action.

Last point. Tony, since new Diamonds are somewhat rare, you are hearing from the same groups of diamonds over and over. What NEW things have you learned after the first few functions you attended? The functions all have the same theme but in my experience, they taught nothing about the practical aspects of the business.

 
At 11/15/2005 06:37:00 PM, Blogger Joecool18 said...

Tony,

You might find some complaints about other companies, maybe even companies like Microsoft.

The difference between those complaints and the ones against quixtar is that the complaints against quixtar has to to with shattered lives, deception, illegal business practices.

 
At 11/16/2005 02:25:00 PM, Blogger Joecool18 said...

Imran posted this on the quixtarblog and I think it deserves to be here:

IBOAI says:

"In today’s highly litigious society, lawsuits are not uncommon in business. Companies and organizations are continually involved in legal disputes. In fact, the larger and higher profile a business, like Quixtar the larger target it provides for attracting lawsuits, no matter how unjustified the lawsuit is."

Imran:

"I'll agree that the larger a company, the more legal hassles one would have to contend with. But the thing that strikes me is that when I think about a similar company like a Wal-Mart, or a K-Mart, or even a McDonald's (I use them for comparison because Amway/Quixtar loves comparing their business model to that of Ray Kroc's), there is one glaring difference in the lawsuits filed against them.

They don't center around the same thing.

With companies like the ones I mention above you will hear about any number of things that the general public sues them over. Slippery floors, scalding beverages, discrimination, health issues, and the list goes on.

With Amway/Quixtar the lawsuits all seem to come back to two things: Tools and corruption."

 
At 11/16/2005 03:02:00 PM, Blogger Loser said...

It was Jason of sinking in quixand blog. I quoted him.

Yeah look at the spin, and see the results of the lawsuits. Quixtar wins all by arbitration.

Except Kenny one...

 
At 11/16/2005 05:03:00 PM, Blogger Loser said...

Microsoft is a good example. A lot of ppl don't like it. Are they broke losers? Or they have a point? What is your opinion about Microsoft?

Same is the case with Wal-Mart.

Is Microsoft doing some thing to improve it? OH YEAH! So does Wal-mart.

What is Quixtar doing? Labeling it as ramblings of "Quixtar hating zealots".

That’s corp. statement, not some nutty diamond.

 
At 11/21/2005 04:20:00 PM, Anonymous Tony said...

Sorry I haven't posted much on your site Imran - I was busy at work on Thurs, and then out-of-the-office on Friday and out of town all weekend. I'll try to reply sometime soon, just have had better things to do...

And as I posted on Qblog today, once I tie up the loose ends here, I'm done with blogging on these sites. Better things to do, done dancing in circles, and a lot of exciting things happening with my business!
Best of luck to all.

 
At 11/22/2005 12:05:00 PM, Anonymous Tony said...

Imran, if I have some time to waste, I'll do a search on those other hate sites, since you can't seem to do it yourself. But its pretty easy to go to google and type "I hate Wamart, Microsoft, GM etc." but whatever.

My points with bringing up those sites, well actually imran brought it up with his post is that, if you're gonna base an opinion on Qx because of sites bashing it, then the same logic would mean you shouldn't support GM, Walmart or Microsoft either. Its just poor logic.

But Imran you made a comment about the companies are doing somethign to fix these complaints/lawsuits, but what is Quixtar doing, nothing! That's BS! Here's some info:

BBB of West Michigan
http://www.grandrapids.bbb.org/commonreport.html?bureau=grandrapids&code=&compid=11002927
Based on BBB files, this company has a satisfactory record with the Bureau. To have a satisfactory Record with the Bureau, a company must be in business for at least 12 months, properly and promptly address matters referred to it by the Bureau, and be free from an unusual volume or pattern of complaints and law enforcement action involving its marketplace conduct. In addition, the Bureau must have a clear understanding of the company's business and no concerns about its industry.

The Bureau processed 23 complaints about this company in the last 36 months, our standard reporting period. 5 of those were closed in the last 12 months. These complaints concerned sales issues, delivery issues, guarantee or warranty issues, refund or exchange issues, contract issues, customer service issues and credit or billing issues. Of these complaints, 19 were closed as resolved. 4 were closed when the company addressed the disputed issues and exhibited a good faith effort to resolve the complaint, When evaluating complaint information, please consider the company's size and volume of business. The number of complaints filed against the company may not be as important as the type of complaints and how the company handled them.

BBB of Ontario
http://www.bbbmwo.ca/commonreport.html?bid=19357

The Bureau processed a total of 0 complaints about this company in the last 36 months, our standard reporting period.
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I'm really getting tired of the BS lies here! Tools and corruption? What corruption? And how are you gonna continue to say the tools are over priced! $7.50 for a CD, $10 for a book, $8 or $9 for a 5-hour seminar! And its optional. There are no illegal business practices! Get a clue! Its an optional education system!

If you think $7-10 bucks is too much.. Don't pay it! Don't buy the CD, don't read the book, don't listen to the seminar! for crying outloud!

 
At 11/23/2005 09:14:00 PM, Blogger rocket said...

The BBB works on corporation issues, ie. the shipping, goods not received, etc....

They will gladly put themselves arm's length from the motivational tools business.

Maybe you should know what you're talking about first, then form an opinion.

I know it's easier to just listen to your upline and give him a hug, but thinking for yourself can pay off.

 
At 11/25/2005 05:55:00 PM, Blogger Joecool18 said...

Directly from the horse's mouth (Quixtar corporation):

Is it true that you don’t have to sell—just buy the products for yourself and recruit others to do the same?

You can’t make money in the Amway business unless AMWAY TM products are sold. To say otherwise misrepresents the Amway Sales and Marketing Plan—a violation of our rules.

Funny though, when asked if quixtar and amway are the same, the corporation only says that amways and quixtar are both owned by parent company Alticor.

 
At 11/28/2005 11:03:00 AM, Anonymous Tony said...

They ARE both owned by Alticor - whats so "funny" about that?

And I don't tell people ALL they have to do is buy. There IS a 50pv / 10 member client rule! And for the record that is the ONLY rule regarding retail sales.

 
At 11/28/2005 12:49:00 PM, Blogger Joecool18 said...

Tony, what's funny is that quixtar is amway. Why do people refer to it as different?

THe sales plan is the same, the products are the same, the company headquarters are the same. The only difference I can see is the name change.

 
At 12/06/2005 02:05:00 AM, Blogger Gordon said...

I'm a real loser in business because I couldn't dance the dance of deception any more.
"Hey, How'd you like to make [conscious says 'lose'] some ['a lot'] of money ['debt from hyperinflated products...motivation tapes...weekly, bi-weekly, monthly, quarterly, yearly seminars in towns hundreds or thousands of miles away']?
Couldn't take it any more after six years of losing more and more money and precious time of opportunity costs in 'real' businesses. Six years, poof, down the drain. Tens of thousands of dollars...poof...gone. But that's okay because I can sleep more soundly now not chasing rainbows (dreams) that lead to financial independence (pots of gold) over the horizon (life-going-by).

 
At 4/05/2006 07:49:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mabey if the whiners that lost all that money actualy did what they were suposed to do and make the contacts like the books, tapes, and cd's explained then mabey things might have worked out. It's simple ecconomics. before a company makes a purchase they first look at what thier return will be, then proceed accordingly. But hey, if they would rather trust the government to see them through thier times of retirement them go for it. I'm sure the gov will always have food banks and wellfare for those who will end up needing it. Oh yea, about scams, have you heard the latest on one of the credit cards... If your purchase is $10.05 they will round up the cost to $11.00 and put the .95 cents in a savings account for you. what a nice company... the only thing thier not telling you is the savings acct will get you 5% interest but the .95 cents that you just financed is going to get an 18% to 22% finance charge. But I'm sure that some people will except that as legit and still call quixtar a scam. hmm something to think about.

 
At 4/05/2006 09:08:00 PM, Blogger Loser said...

What the....So:

some credit card ocmpany is accused to be a scam

It is assumed we will not think it is a scam.

if both of two are correct, that means Quixtar is not a scam?

Care to explain?

 
At 5/30/2006 12:41:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Quixtar is in the business of taking peoples money and running!

i have a few friends that were in Quixtar, but went into another company that IS FAR FROM THE SAME BUSINESS AS QUIXTAR, but one platinum was angry and called directly Quixtar and those few where put out of Quixtar, even one whom DID NOT sign with another company, but because was friends with the others, this person is now out of Quixtar for no reason at all, with facts and proof!!

They say, we are our own bosses, NO! NOT AT ALL. Quixtar platinums are into threats and intimidations against others for their personal gains and if one decides to go elsewhere, your gone and lawyers will call. I have contacted 10 different government agencies on this matter and no one has the right to do this...I advis everyone not to join Quixtar and to not allow any person with Quixtar to ask you to join, your money and future are at risk!!!!

 

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