Reader Mail - Gala LOS and J.O.B
A reader posted here:
Thanks a ton for posting this entry in your blog. You have saved my time and money. I request you to put this article on top of your blog or a special link, so that anybody thinking of joining Quixtar or BWW will atleast aware of the MLM and the risks and it will save them lots of money and time.It is true that Quixtar speaker are full of contradictions, and themselves.
I had attended the last BWW FED at california and it costed me 100 USD. I curse myself why I met those tiny IBOs and listened to their businesses speeches. All those speakers are ass-holes. They all contradict themselves. Kumar, Chak, Sugeet, Tirthankar etc.They landed up in US from India just because of their education and now they blame the same basic college education and ridiculing the education system for preaching job mentality. Had it not been for the education, they might be begging on the roadside of the cities where they were born. These so called leaders don't like thier pasts, as if they were some kind of thieves. The dumbest among all these ass holes is Sugeet Ajmani. He ridicule other professionals and their work as if the whole world is run by him. Why did he continue to work in the organization till the time he became diamond or whatever this quixstar grade system calls. Wasn't he a hypocrite? Why the hell all of these diamonds continued in their respective jobs till the time they have become diamonds. Where was their belief ? These are all double talk.
They always claim they are prospering where as quixtar's revenue is stagnant at 1 to 1.15 billion for last two years. These diamonds should save their money before Quixtar goes to drain.
I feel so relaxed after writing this mail to my sponsor asking him not to expect me for the first OPEN. I do not know how much money and time I would have wasted had I not read your blog.
Putting this entry on top? Sorry dude, you relate to this entry. Some other person may like another entry. They all can't be at the top. Blogs are also like a pyramid!
But...for few days this link will be at the top ;)
posted by Loser @ 9:42 PM
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35 Comments:
Hey look at me I'm at the top!
Maybe you can help: After getting my last raise of 2.1%, and reading this article in business week, http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_46/b3959107.htm which did a pretty good job describing the mess I and most of my boddies are in, I finally gave in to a dude at the office and attended a quixtar meeting. The speaker was this Sugeet Ajmani guy. At first looked pretty good, but after reading your comments, I am having second thoughts.
The question is: If quixtar (or any mlm) are so bad what are you guys doing to get out of the mess and move ahead ??
To any losers posting cynical comments on this site...
(1) Ask yourselves how many peoples' lives have you positively influenced so far?
(2) What lifestyle have you provided your wife, children, parents? (Forget yourself because you're sucked into your coporate pyramid and are too selfish to do anything for your family).
(3) The tough question - how much $$$ have you made so far, how much of the daily 24 hours is REALLY yours and what happens in the next corporate re-structuring?
All the best.
1) Straight from tapes?
I'd say as many who have been to this site and seen the light, from thugs like diamonds.
2) Ah, so ppl with job are selfish, yet in next point they don't have any time for them.
Life style from a minium wage job is MUCH better than the AVERAGE Quixtar income.
3) Much more than losing $1,000 / month.
To other poster, sugeet keeps saying same layoff story over and over againt. If you've heard it once, you've heard it all. No need to buy more tapes from him then ;)
The point is honest hard working people will make it big in this business. The people who succeed dont read blogs...they read Success magazines, BBB reviews etc. Thank god there were no blogs 2 years ago when I started, else I would be sitting like you and typing. I love my job but realize that there is nothing like what this business offers.
This is addressed to the loser...Now, I understand, why you are, what you are ! ... If you can't see the opportunity after seeing gold, please don't blog people's mind with this bullshit.
What "opportunity"? To make $115 / month before expenses? or to scam other ppl?
Hi, we need you working on your job buddy!! Continue working hard.
hmm BTW which function was that where Sugeet ridiculed a job? Maybe some special function for you alone? Were you hallucinating or something? Sugeet has always said he loved what he did in his corporate career, he just would not bet his life security on it, that's all. Convoluted minds can misunderstand anything. Maybe you thought it would not work for you even before you went there.
hmm BTW which function was that where Sugeet ridiculed a job?
What else he does? His whole both hubby wife 6 figure income then quiting job from same laptop office gave you story? And how he wakes up real late (no mention when he goes to bed) stuff?
Maybe he's more carefull now speaking. Which is good.
Hey anonymous, I want to feel sorry for u and ur ilk. You guys are so brainwashed and pathetic that you could'nt write anything without the tapespeak. Just a simple question: Why do you guys hate jobs so much, is money everything for you??? Do you want to run to ur upline and ask him the answer?? What is the average income of an average IBO in quixtar buddy?? Is it greater than the minimum wage??? I have one suggestion for u: "Stop drinking Kool-Aid!!!"
hahah.."Mr. Felt Cheated"..first of all, I dont think anybody said that he hates his/her job, and even if they did, I am pretty sure they had valid reasons for that.. If you are also doing a job, you would probably have already encountered some problems in your job, be it your pay or your work environment. If you like your job, love the traffic that you commute in, and moreover just want to do a job for somebody else for the rest of your life, sure, go ahead. As for someone, who said that all the diamonds contradicted themselves and that why did they do their jobs before they went diamond.. from common sense you shud know that it wud b really stupid on ur part if u leave ur job without "atleast" replacing ur income along wid ur spouse's.
Now for everyone, who's been blogging shit about quixtar and everybody, my suggestion is "Just leave them alone". You didnot like it, so you didnot join it. well and gud.. no one writes bad about u.. why do u have to be a meany and start writing about something about which you dont even know.. some stupid people will come to your blog read it and be really happy and praise you that yeah..yeah..Mr. lost , whatever u wrote is true and everything.. My suggestion to everybody who's reading my comment is that.. use your own mind to decide what is right for you.. dont start looking from somebody else's perspective, because some people hvae a tendency to portray things in a negative manner..
Anyway, chao to everyone..and gud luck..
oh and one more thing for mr. felt cheated.. this business opportunity is something to be done as part-time..and if u r stupid enuf not to understand that..and u quit ur job trying to build the business...then hats off to u dude..for leading the pack of donkeys..
so this person here claims that he was saved from spending him money and time...if u think that these people are so horrible then why are you people sitting here writing comments about them...is this not taking up your time and money(for being able to get on the net) and if these people are so horrible how is it that i know all four of the guys that this person named in his blog, personally and why am i 20 years old making over 5000/month through quixtar and i just joined a couple of months ago....as a matter of fact sugeet and kajal ajmani are my upline's....its funny how you people sit here and preach of how horrible quixtar is....maybe because none of u gave it a chance and put in the effort to succeed and if u cant succeed in a easy ass bussiness as quixtar i feel sorry for you people tryin 2 make it in ur real jobs....and the reason why all of these so called horrible diamonds keep their jobs till they're diamonds is to have the security that they had before hand and have the EXTRA money that quixtar gives as well......so when they do become diamonds and are satisfied with the type of money they are making that they know they can quit their daily jobs they do it.......
you ppl seriously need to get a like and get over urselves just because u didnt have the balls to succeed in something doesnt give u the right to ridicule ppl who were able to make something of them selves and make money off this business
I read your all comment and after concluded that, human nature are always doubt someone else if they don't achieve anything, i understand your thought of having job and then build the business as the same time but the question is what else are you looking in ur life? it is all about job or do you want to achieve some goals and dreams that u are here for...so plz don't put out words be meaningful. I joined Quixtar as of nothing and making a good stable income and I don't think anybody can fail it unless u take out the negative from ur mind
Just to clarify some basic thoughts:
1) Quixtar is a business opportunity. Not a job. "Loser".. now I know why you called yourself that!..
Businesses don't grow overnight. Learn about delayed gratification. Listen to some successfull people like Robert Kiosaki. May be then, you dont have to call yourself by your first name - "Loser".
2) There are 2 kinds of people with 2 different set of values.
a) Job - I love my job; safe; secure; pay cheque every 2 weeks; no risk; gud life.
b) Businessmen : I dont want to work for anyone; willing to take risk; delayed gratification (just like - take a loan, put all the effort and build an appartment. Its dificult in the beginning as there's no income; however, once completed, gives a lifetime of income through rent)
If you love your job, and want to keep doing the same thing till you are 65, knock yourself out.
If you think spending $250 or so to get some insight on a business opportunity, that "might" change your lifestyle is not much of a risk, try Quixtar. Besides, can you even open a roadside hot dog place with $250 ?.. Come on !... think !
3) Yes, you spend money may be on a monthly basis to listen to cds and get trained. Don't you pay to get trained at school - that doesnt even guarantee you a job? Why not get trained by a system, that seems to have produced several millionaires in the past years? What have you to lose?..
Do you want to know why people really hate quixtar?.. Its because they cant get out of the 9-5, pay cheque mentality. Check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQM8rQzw7kY for details.
Hei,
Do you guys know how Sugeet Ajmani sucked all the money from his 9th leg to get his EDC pin? There was only 1 guy in that whole leg and somehow, magically, Sugeet Ajmani went EDC.
"Sugeet sets a goal and gets it done" - do you know how? By sucking people every singe dollar they have. If you ask his 9th leg (the guy at the top) I am sure either he spent at least close to $30K to $40K or Sugeet himself purchased these and transferred the points to that fellow!
To heck with fake amway/quixtar diamonds and EDCs and their fake incomes!
Of course,
you are rite! Another assole in his team named Ramesh raghavan was my upline. he did the same to me! sucked me out of all the money i had... moreover he even had the guts to scold and discipline my wife in front of me!!! i felt like slapping that fellow! he got away with it.
to hell with these amway/BWW assholes! just stay away from them!
sugeet ajmani is really a crappy felow. i attended 1 of his leaderships in 2002. the guy calld for a mens only leadership and the stuff he told there - even bill britt would have kicked'im out of bww. this fellow is a cunning assole.
mayb he did medicine, not engg - bcoz he always used to prick people with his sharp needle-like words. i donno how he got to EDC, mayb he sucked it out...
i recently read in a blog that the whole gala team is abusing the auto-capture customer volum 'n boostin their reported sales.
so much of the crap! but no matter how much these blogs bash'em we ppl fall for it for some period of time! so ther'll b new guyz fallin into this trap for few yrs.
some bcom like my upline - who would continuously call me the last 2 days of each month and try to suck me out of money to do pv...
kumar is a scum like the rest of the Indian bastard ! They have no respect for ppl.
You all have way too much time on your hands. GET A LIFE
You guys need to check out http://www.amquix.info/
where co-founder Rich Devos talks about the abuses of the IBO's by the head honchos of the different systems. The plan works well on paper and it would work well in real life too provided that majority of the ppl in the line of sponsorship/LOS were actually doing all the core steps and the basics. For Amway/Quixtar not to be a pyramid scheme, its important that the FTC rule of Client/customer consumption is followed. But in my personal experience (in the revered LOS of Ajmani/Sinha/Raghavan group) they just stock up products 100% for personal consumption and they used to constantly say put yourself up on 300PV DITTO if you are a couple! But in functions and meetings they will mouth off saying you have to retail. You ask them how much do they actually retail? and answer is a no brainer, its ZIPPO :)
Its hilarious that Kumar jokes in his n number of tapes that he went emerald buying a shitload of products that were stacked up in his basement. Anyways he was lucky enough to go DD by getting in some width and driving depth but look at the rest of the idiots. Look at Tanmay Sinha or even Suresh Raghavan: Have they sponsored any new legs in width and have they actually taken those legs atleast 7500PV?? No, its the same 3 legs that Raghavan has since his Univ of Toledo days that he pushes volume at the end of every month. And I am guessing hes been in this business for more than a decade. Oh yes, what do they say "it doesnt matter how long it takes to become successful in this business, but the journey is worth it" or "its not a sprint but a marathon" and trust me this marathon never ends!
The problem is that these ppl who are platinums are above try to push a lot of tapes/books becoz they get a certain percentage off selling them downline. No problemo but problem is they try to push exponential fold of these tapes and books becoz they need a substantial amount of money as revenue from the sales of the same. And thats becoz they need to break even after spending thousands on accumulating the amway products. And coming to the point of calling people LOSER, its interesting what Rich Devos had to say abt branding people in his Direct speaking tape. All over enthused, brainwashed IBO's please listen or read his speed and maybe by divine grace you will have your soul saved. Yes, what about the LOSER: according to these very successful IBO's LOSERS are ones who quit the business or ones who want to stick with their jobs. Let me guess, its that LOSER doctor who delivered your baby/babies right? And oh who is that LOSER financial planner you goto to take care of your "wealth"? and oh yes your Parents are the biggest LOSERS for not building the business along with you.
While the diligent IBO's are building their dreams in the air and going to live the Diamond lifestyle, the rest of us will just get on with our lives thanking our lucky stars from having escaped this atrocity and watch the fun from the sidelines :)
Roshan Puttar,
chal yaar tune BWW Koolaid pee liya, ab tere uppar koi asar nahin padega. Tu jaa beta, apne paise aur next 5 years ka zindagi barbaad karle. Humari shubh kamanayen!
What a loser the blog writer is!! But hey dude this is a good way to hide your incapability by condemning successful people. People throw stones only at trees which bear fruits !! So rightly said !! Keep up the great job LOSER !!
HAHA some of you people are so stupid.. Amway is the best business in the world.i had a privelage to talk to several millionaires that have nothing to do with amway. and i asked them what they thought about amway. each and every one of them said its a phenomenal organization if you just stick with it and work it. so thats when i started and now i am a platinum in the business and starting to make some good money. my advise is dont question the price of a function or a meeting becouse your first q12 bonus check will cover all of that and more,, u just have to have a big dream and a clear vision and you will succeed. im so fired up im 19yrs old and im retired..and dont talk trash about Sugeet he is a great person. alot of you ppl just have issues. dont take advise from all of these losers here who say it dont work. THE BUSINESS WORKS, PEOPLE DONT WORK, THATS WHY YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALOT OF LOSERS TO FIND THE WINNERS, LET THE WINNERS WIN AND THE LOSERS LOSE
Yeah Right.Several multimillionaires will advice you "Amway is the right thing to do." But notice, they themselves would not be doing it.
Interesting discussion, to say the least...
Deep why do you find it interesting? Would like to know. I am an ex-IBO in Kanti and Lata Gala's team and I was part of Tirtanker and Suparuna Duutta team. What a bunch of scamatrtists thyese guys were. My upline [platinum was in Baltimore (forgot the name baldy Indian guy from Calcutta) and he is in the business for almost 15-16 years by now, always promised of Emerald and Diamond but never crossed Q12 in 15 years. We used to [plug in with some doctors in Baltimore at the open. The biggest scam in this business are the tools and the conference tickets. Most people do not know but I founmd out from a Emerald in Gala group in CA who quit that the Emeralds make $5 of every conference ticket and the diamonds keep $10. So all these promotion of changoing lives and everything was indeed changing something, their bank balance at your expense. I always wondered why we were asked to sell spare tickets at the BWW desk inside the function venue and not outside where it sells risghht away. Selling outside does not give the buyer's Emerald and Diamond the $5 and $10 cut since noone knows that the buying IBO got a loose tickets unaccounted and untracked. I have had to digest the loss of money for 8 tickets in one conference because they were not in the first two pages of the BWW selling roster and would not allow me to sell outside the venue. . So although I lost almost $800, the upline Emerald (Duutta) made $80 cut (since they are diamonds) since in their accounts those tickets were sold to me. Foumd out that evenm the christmas party I was dragged to at Royal Albert Place in NJ has cuts for Diamonds and so does the BBSs. Kanti Gala always says "I MAKE 3 TIMES MORE IN TOOLS THAN aMWAY INCOME". Just try and fathom this, his pool of hapless IBOs are spending almost $100 dollars a month to make sure his 3/4th income can be sustained. Someone mentioned about sucessful millionaires.... where are they ? Most of them live a life of show and grandeur till their family problems are revealed one by one. Ganesh and Neha are diuvorced and noone talks about it yet. Why? 2-5 year plan they say.... what about my upline platinum..... he is the COREst person I have seen, how come after 15 years all he has to show is Platinum. So, do not fall for that crap they tell; you about love and relationship. Just stop your PV for one month and stop going to some of those ghetto meetings, see where their love vanishes. I can write a whole blog in describing the garbage that is there in BWW and in the Gaala team, but it will be your biggest mistake to mness with your career and your education to fulfill your Amway pipe dreams because I have seen and known anough serious IBOs to open their eyes and quit. I have also seen CORE IBOs develop $80 K debt just to be "CORE" and 300 PV club and all other Core steps and get themselves in financial doldrums with credit cards and banks. Beware of Amway and beware of the Gala Group especially that of Tirtankat Duutta and his wife.
Man, are you serious?? Ganesh and Neha shenoy divorced????
How much crap we had to listen to about their wonderful marriage.
Never knew Jwalant and Reena Vakil were divorced. All of a sudden it became Jwalant and Asha Vakil.
What about the fight between Samaratunga and Ganesh Shenoy? Aren't you supposed to respect upline
quixtar/Amway is 9.2+ BILLION dollars...still growing. Im not a diamond, I hate my Job, economy sucks...If someone else can become diamond, so can I.
This Comment refer to the one dated
THURSDAY, OCTOBER 27, 2005 (First Comment)
Hello, Job was good enough for the people you saw on stage, in your term Graded as Diamond by Quixtor. All the Corporate legends under whom you have your job right now, have not had their business of the same size of right now. You should have enough sence to treat Quixtar business as business. When you don't even able to think of raising yourself to CEO or owner of any business, you cannot understand this concept. You stay wherever you are - go to job for your rest of your life - may be 30 years - try doing this - you will understand at 60 +.
Amway’s new hierarchy of evilness:
Diamond IBOs and above = Draculas
Emerald IBOs = Vampires
Sapphire, ruby
and platinum = Witches
Rest of the useless IBOs = Zombies
“Live the cult dream”
Draculas
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Vampires
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Witches
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Zombies
hey loser, Dreamer wont blame others and situation. your language itself it says how much immature you are.
I find it amusing reading some of the comments from people who have drunk the amway/bww/gala kook-aid. I was a platinum in the Kumar organization and have seen the unbelievable things by the diamonds and above.. First off - 1) platinums, emeralds and diamonds make a cut in every cd, subscription, Kate, function that a person purchases. So the tool business is a scam and it is true. For those drinking the kook aid and rubbishing this a looser (I used to teach my downline and team to say the same) have really been brainwashed. 2) lot of the diamonds own a IT consulting business/ real estate business on the side that they will never mention. Only people close to them on "in the inner circle - in business jargon" know the truth. Question for the kool aid guys - can you go and ask your diamond if they own a it / real estate business on the side and if so why do they make fun of it on stage and why is another business required if their own amway/bww business so well. 3) the 3 cardinal rules are a joke - I knew jwalant and reena vakil personally and the reason their marriage fell apart is jwalant having a tango with downline asha lakhani (in fact her brother quit around this time for the same reason). His great diamond up line looked the other way while he started to have a relationship with her and she conceived before marriage!! So much for 3 cardinal rules of "do not mess with someone's wife or downline" - only it it suits the upline!!! (Same with Paul miller and Ganesh shenoy) and they will teach about "marriage" from stage and sell CDs!!! 4) finally, as you grow in the busienss you are required to keep the socd and function ticket (standing order) count up even if your business suffers as it will impact your upline diamond, emerald and their numbers and income!!! So I have had situations where my basement was having loads of CDs and having unsold tickets that bww did not take back. (As mentioned by another blogger). So the $3000-$5000 as mentioned by some bloggers is a joke as I personally know dozens of platinum and sapphires making less than $1000 per month (before the cd and other expense. Net profit per month less than $200) but none will say anything for fear of sounding negative (aka truth) . So I left the business and started REAL company besides being successful in my job and Iam glad Iam not ripping off someone in the pretext of freedom and marriages!!! So kool aid drinkers, keep fooling yourself or ask questions and make your own decision!!!
Thank you for coming in and commenting here. We need a lot of former IBO's to speak out as to what the truth really is. These people are the worst kind of scammers, because as they are scamming they talk about honesty and integrity and what not. I have often wondered how diamond women would see all the crap going on continue to stay in the business.
Amen about side IT biz/real estate biz. Otherwise fake diamonds cannot like Ajay Ohri or Prakash Hegde cannxot even afford health insurance.
I just wish all the plane to one of the diamond or Q12 trips crashes and wipes off all these suckers
I'm certainly late to the party but looking at the timelines, I was indeed part of the Quixtar story while some of the above folks were. I was an IBO, spent around 9 months 'doing it'. I must admit, I made a couple of decent friends who I admired then (primarily my upline, Akash Munjal) but the one part I didn't like about him was the unwillingness to question anything/anyone. The idea of 'if a bunch of folks performed steps 1,2,3 and 4 and became successful, it WILL work for everyone else' wasn't something I could digest. Also, the lying - I can understand the half-truths but there was certainly lying when it came to how the uplines (Platinum, Emerald, Diamond) were making their money. That, I learnt during the course of my short stint there.
I can't say it'll work for everyone who works hard, the math just doesn't work out w.r.t the number of folks you'll require in your downlines and them consistently doing 300 PV and also 6 of them going Platinum etc. It might not be impossible but certainly a lot more difficult than what it was 17 years back when I joined, and even then, it was a lot more difficult than when the Kumars, the Galas and the Ajmanis joined. So, those who so strongly believe in the system, go for it, but see if you can do it without disrupting your relationships. If, for a second, you think that you can break off your relationships with your friends, relatives and family because you'll still have your Quixtar/Amway family, rest assured you are wrong. You are a mode of revenue to your upline, please don't even pretend to believe otherwise.
All said and done, if you want to try it out sincerely, give it a go. The system BWW provides, some of their teachings when it comes to psychological approach (some call it manipulation) can certainly come in handy, whatever you do in life if/when you get disillusioned by Amway/Quixtar. It'll certainly keep you on a perennial high - or as the IBOs say - 'fired up' but to think that's good for the human brain to make sane/rational decisions isn't a smart thing. See, the thing to note is that your upline uses all these psychological techniques on prospects, and you are dazzled. Please don't, for a minute, think that you aren't being psychologically worked on. If you think it's for your own benefit, so be it.
Before signing off, let me say this. Rest assured - anyone already in the business is not going to step away from it based on someone else's opinion/notes/thoughts, even if it's an ex-platinum or an ex-diamond. They will have to live the experience, the IBO life, understand the math part of the equation and logically, in an unbiased manner, decide how long, realistically, they'd take to get to Diamond and beyond.
Good luck.
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