Thursday, September 15, 2005

What do you OWN? Business owners?

Great post by Mike in The Quixtar Ego-Trap

There is no comparison between Quixtar and a traditional small business. Don't think for a second that you "own" or "run" anything when you hop on the Quixtar wagon. Think about it:

What do you sell? Whatever products are offered on the quixtar website.

What price do you sell them for? Whatever quixtar says it costs.

If quixtar decides to change their payment scheme or the bv of a particular product, what can you do about it? Nothing.

The whole "personal business" concept is completely based on a flimsy system that you have absolutely no control over. If quixtar changes the rules of the game, you have to just suck it up and go with it. And the notion that anyone working a regular job is just some average sucker is, well... disgusting. A regular job? You mean like firefighter? Doctor? Teacher? Construction worker?

Yeah, average. People with real jobs are the ones who create things. Do things. Contribute to society. They manufacture the products you peddle on your precious website for that matter.

What exactly is it that a Quixtar IBO contributes to the world? And don't regurgitate the whole "we change lives by showing people how to be finacially free" song and dance because its utter nonsense. The staggering number of people who make nothing doing Quixtar shows clearly that this is not the case. And even if it were, there is absolutely nothing being created, produced or contributed to society. "Real" jobs must exist for your silly little dream world to exist... which it doesn't. Well, unless of course you are one of the few who have been raking in piles of money selling training manuals, coaching seminars, videos, motivational tapes and all that other "optional, but neccissary" material...

The sad thing is, the Quixtar recruiting technique is much like that of the military, with the exception that the military actually does provide a service and a career. What Quixtar and the military have in common is that they tend to look toward the less educated for recruitment. The logic being, those with less education have less opportunities for succeessful careers. This means that a less educated person stands a better chance of seeing the military as a beneficial move in their life.

Quixtar's motive is much different. The motivation of Quixtar to go after the less educated rests on the assumption that those with less education will ask less questions. They will likely be pursuaded more easily by the thought of making huge sums of money due to the fact that they likely have very little of it. The less educated will be less likely to think about the more philosophical "big picture" ideas when assesing the validity of the business. Likewise, the less educated will be more likey to be impressed with the flashy bright lights and smoke machines at the pep rallies. They will almost always be the ones falling for the simplistic plattitudes that are void of any substantive information about the business. They won't ask any pointed questions about the innerworkings of the Quixtar corporation or even about day to day business activity. They won't think about the macroeconomic implications of such a flawed business model, because they probably don't know what macroeconomic means...

In short, look at most of the people involved with Quixtar. This is a classic cult-like situation where weak minded people buy into an organization that proceeds to brainwash them from day one. They are taught that anyone who says anything negative about the organization is simply a loser and a liar. If you have ever seen footage of these Quixtar conventions and then looked at a communist rally from the Stalin years, the similarities are shocking.

Brainwashing is brainwashing... people either leave the cult, or drink the cool aid and die.

I'm sure some Quixtar apologist is going to follow this up with some talking points about how Quixtar is his salvation and that I am just some average person who will never amount to anyhthing. He'll likely go on and on, full of spelling and grammar errors about how I couldn't make it in Quixtar and that negative people never amount to anything...

Well to that person let me simply ask: How much money have you profited from Quixtar?

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At 9/21/2005 01:39:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

YOU are a complete morooon. Nobody says you have to do anything. YOu do what you want when you want. You listen and decide by using common sense, but of course the people on these sites have none and listen to ignorant people. That is why they make no money in a job, but that is OK because society says it's ok.
Funny if you made a few bucks you wouldn't post anything. Perhaps you need to get another job on top of the one you have to get ahead!!!

At 9/21/2005 01:43:00 PM, Blogger Loser said...

Funny, you're anonymous and I'm not!

At 9/21/2005 01:52:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmmmmmm... the "typical" slams and put-downs by an AmQuix zombie! And I can say that..... because I used to be one! I spent 6 years "building" the business.... being core.... spending money I didn't have on tapes, meetings, major functions, info packs, and all of that. Not to mention spending way too much money on overpriced, mediocre quality products. After finally getting "brain flushed", I devoted my energies to my business/j.o.b. (real estate), and guess what happened? My income skyrocketed, and I now have the lifestyle of at least a fully qualified Emerald, except that I sleep better knowing that I am not lying or misleading anyone to make a buck. I have the house, the nice cars, the gorgeous furniture, I take the dream vacations. And my nights? Spent with my kids (while they are young enough to enjoy them) or having fun, versus my old life of meetings, meetings after the meetings, and calling people I barely know telling them that I am expanding my international business and I am looking for a few sharp people.......

In short, in my j.o.b., I have the life that I dreamed of while chasing the AmQuix dream (or nightmare).

You may call me a loser, but I will compare my life and my bank account with you any day of the week!

At 9/22/2005 01:32:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lost a friend to the business, I went online to research that cult and ended up here. I'd really like to see that crap brought down to its knees.I also read a lot of comments by people who have been scammed by Quixtar and I notice one trend. If Quixtar changes its name tomorrow, the majority of you will go back, and if you guys are so committed to bring down the business why on earth do you keep buying their overpriced stuff. You are feeding the Beast.

At 9/27/2005 02:09:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, just wanna say this site is really great, i am from taiwan, and recently i got someone from Quixtar or BWW (whatever they call themselves) trying to introduce this "wonderful" business to me, and this is how i ended up founding this site. After reading so many articles, blogs about Quixtar, once again it proves only less educated people will fall their "too good to be true" stories.
I also heard about another company, but couldnt find much info about it, can anyone point out the cons/pros about this company/system for me?
Usana health inc and MSI system, is it just another scam like Quixtar?

At 9/27/2005 10:32:00 PM, Blogger Loser said...

Well, MLM is usally a scam. Who would go to MLM route if the product or service is good?

Ask some questions like ROI for average mlmer, persist for the answer, don't get 'a 20 year old is making 10K / month' type of answer.

If they don't show you the hard solid numbers, they're a scam.

At 10/01/2005 03:18:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you people really think companies like Barnes & Noble, Office Max, Nike, Bass Pro Shops, and Circuit City would put their name on the line and risk losing their hard earned credibility just to SCAM you guys? You people need to get educated.

At 10/01/2005 06:24:00 PM, Blogger Loser said...

Educate us.

Many terrorists uses Nokia cell phone. Nokia loses any credibility?

At 10/04/2005 03:42:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey, guys, here's some info i found about the company usana, can anyone point out for me are those infos fake or is this just another trick of a scam company trying to pull, thanks

At 10/04/2005 11:49:00 AM, Blogger Loser said...

As a developer of 30 or more sites, that site does not belong to a legit business. Or their marketing manager is always on leave.

Ask local BBB, attorney general or FTC.

At 10/05/2005 01:45:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i see, so those infos on his site about the company usana are fake? lol, they must did a great job to make up those infos which looks so real to me :P

thanks for the reply

At 10/05/2005 10:29:00 AM, Blogger Loser said...

Well that's just my guess. Such sites filled with 'testimonies', 'facts' and highlighted texts are usually B.S. Try looking some penis enlargement or breast enhancement sites. Same design, same 'shocking scientific discoveries', exposing 'myths' and ‘brilliant’ scientists / doctors giving you some ‘insider advice’.

If there was a real discovery, it will be on

1) News
2) Hospitals
3) Clinics

Faster than you’d know. Think about it, why on earth some one with a legit discovery or a superior product would ignore 99.9% of revenue making venues and choose this route?

Again, your doctor would know better how true these claims are. Dietitians say vitamins = expensive urine, period.

At 10/05/2005 11:03:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 10/05/2005 11:04:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

sorry about the double post ><"

At 10/06/2005 12:08:00 AM, Blogger Loser said...

It is publicaly traded? That's great. So you can see it any time how it's doing.

Product is great, lets assume that's true. My doctor still says expensive urine but lets say it is the best product.

Whats in for you? You are interested in more than being a customer right? It uses binary compensation plan.

What happens in that plan? Any idea?

At 10/06/2005 01:26:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

ya, i'd like to learn what happens in that plan :)

and why the company grows so fast with that plan ^^"

At 10/06/2005 02:12:00 PM, Blogger Loser said...

Well I don't know and care about 'company'. What I do care is the profitability of average associate.

What it is?
Do you or any one have hard numbers? And attrition rate?
How good binary plan is working for person?

You posted some research from their own site, and forbes rating. Which is great. But DeVos is top 64 richest person of united stats!! Quixtar is still a scam.....

Now find some other information as well, and form an educated opinion. Is that for you?

At 10/06/2005 06:45:00 PM, Anonymous brainfrey said...

So, my husband has just heard of Quixtar, and is very excited about it. I've had a bad feeling about it from the beginning, and this blog has reenforced it. We've only had one face-to-face meeting with one guy (an emerald, I think). If we meet again, what kind of questions should I ask him, and how should I gauge his answers? How do I convince my husband that this isn't a good idea? Thanks!

At 10/06/2005 08:08:00 PM, Blogger Loser said...

Read this section:

Questions to Pose:

Print these questions and ask them. Your husband probably see Quixtar as only way out to whatever 'rut' he think he's stuck in. For that, I highly recommend:

Interested in an interview? I'll interview you and it will be posted here. A 'prospectee' point of view?

At 10/07/2005 12:05:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

here's what i found:

oficial businessweek site:

Nasdaq stock quotes on yahoo finance:

Forbes magazine ranks #16 among Top 200 companies:

The Physician's Desk Reference (PDR) Features Usana Products For 2004 :

CNN Financial News - Interview With Usana's CFO (video) :

i guess it does on news, hospitals, well known magazines :)

At 10/07/2005 12:08:00 PM, Blogger Loser said...

Ok Anonymous, I wanted to edit your comment, to make a long URL short. I couldn't, so I delete ur old post, posted it as a new one making URL short. It was breaking my template. Only if I could re-order the comments....

Try tinurl

At 10/10/2005 08:49:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about $10,023 a month for the last 3 month sounds to you? You ignorant !!! Say what ever you want. But the money is not bad. Whoever have the money is the one with the desicion to make it good or bad. I personaly had adopted 6 kids. 3 girls and 3 boys from diferent parts of the world. Can I do that without the money I earn in Quixtar?? Nope. I personaly can say the money I is good, very good. What do you going to do tomorrow? Work? For a misserablr paycheck? No thanks. Im going to have fun with my kids and pick up my next $10,000 + check for this month. So, please don't be a nobody, be part of something.
Thanks Quixtar.

At 10/12/2005 05:36:00 PM, Blogger Loser said...

$10,023 a month for 3 months?

That sound GREAT.

Tell me more.

At 6/03/2006 06:44:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I really missed the business for a long time, I have delt with feelings of letting people down, starting with my best freind for years. What I have realized is the incredible power and control that is in their hands. Personally I thought the opportunity seemed like a good idea, I still do. What you quickly realize however is that the reputation that has been created prohibits your ablity to create a business that is fair and equitable. That reputation isn't unfair it's been earned by the actions of many greedy Diamonds making more off the system of tapes and functions than the business itself and by the tactics they use to ensure the growth their business and the flow of training materials. It's sad I truly feel bad for the leaders in this business who takes those checks for tapes and functions and feels horribly guilty about it because they are slowly losing their morality and their feelings for their fellow man.

At 1/02/2007 04:29:00 PM, Blogger Marc said...

Hey everyone,
I was involved in the quixtar cult in Greenville South Carolina for about 5 months. I met my sponsor when I was going through a spiritual mid-twenties mid-life crisis, and going to a very charasmatic church. I have 3rd stage multiple sclerosis and it had gone into serious remission. I beleived at the time that the Lord had healed me, but apparantly it was just a serious state of remission. The guy I met, whose name was Pete, was originally from New Hampshire and had moved to SC like 2 months prior. I, being from Long Island NY, was ecstatic to meet another "yankee", so when he and his northern roommates invited me to go with them to a "testimony of Gary Newell's miraculous healing", I gladly accepted, as I thought I could relate to the guy with my healing, and also have the chance to enhance my "yankee network". When we got there, it was in a conference room at a room in the Hilton on Haywood Rd. in Greenville SC. I went in and sat down and they began to talk about all this marketing and selling crap. I asked Pete what this was about and he asked me if I had ever heard of Amway? He said that this is the same founders and owners, but it is the new name of the company. It is bigger and better products, and a new name due to the tarnished reputation Amway had aquired over the years of screwing people. My aunt and my mom had both done Amway. Amway destroyed their church, and put both of them on the verge of bankrupcy. I was very hesitant, but the speakers always spoke of how great everything was, you can make so much money, it is sooooo easy!!!! etc etc.... The product, quite honestly is all way overpriced garbage. Energy drinks, faucets, towels, clothing, they sell everything you can think of for at least 2-5 times MORE than the regular retailer. They claim and swear that their product is the best on the market, that is why it costs more. You get more for your money. My grandmother died when I was in the group, and the guys were SO loving and supportive. They all called me in NY when i was up there, they all said we love you brother, we are a band of brothers, we are here for you, we are praying for you, etc... They were all involved in Church of God or in extreme Pentecostal/charasmatic and "non-denominational" churches. Bible beaters in other words. They were all very conservative christians. The second they found out I was gay, my sponsor Pete said, and I quote, "Sucks for you". Then I got an email from them saying that they are men of integrity, and they have values and cannot allow a fag to be a part of their group, so they pushed me out. I contacted the corporate Human Resourses department, but they blew me off. They said I needed to take that up with the head of my pyramid. Well, the head of my pyramid was a bible beating loony, as was everyone else in the fkn cult. Stay the HELL AWAY FROM QUIXTAR! They will use you and rob you blind, stap you in the back and fk you over, and then they will go to church and Praise Jesus for giving them money, when meanwhile, these people are so full of sht and broke, bc they spend all their money on overpriced sht! Anyone involved in quixtar needs to have a psychiatric evaluation, be put on heavy meds and get knocked upside the head to snap them back into reality. Fkn crooks, I tell ya! Fkn crooks! Thank You. Marc :0)

At 1/10/2007 07:55:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Quixtar has nothing to do with amway it does not operate like it used to. SO I dont know who gives people false information. stop believing false rumors and at least check out what its about before talking crap about it.

At 1/10/2007 08:09:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Check the better business bureau and type in for the city ada, MI quixtar inc and you will see that they are a member of the bureau.

At 5/01/2007 06:04:00 PM, Anonymous Larry said...

QUIXTAR is an extremely dangerous cult, which perverts true Christianity. It uses Christianity, and Christian principals to propagate its own "Gospel", or "Another Gospel". Instead of spiritual Salvation, it offers financial salvation. True Christianity, specifically, Christ's attitudes on earthly riches, are in direct conflict to Quixtar's attitudes. My advice to anyone in Quixtar is to get out now, or you will eventually drink the Kool-Aide and die.

At 6/03/2007 03:37:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


At 6/22/2007 11:43:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How much money do people make in the business. Ok Im and IBO and I'll announce it. Try $10,000 a month or more doing no more than 15 hours a week.

And your not feeding a beast. Theres a big difference.
Overpriced my but. You need the things they sell anyway. Prices are pretty much the same and the brands are much better. You get 33% of your money back and if you don't like something you ship it back and they give you a refund for the whole thing even the shipping.
And yes you can play with the price if you were an IBO you would know that.

I'm going to end it by saying this

Type in on google Quixtar sucks you'll see 29,400 sites

Then type in google Quixtar is the best

Your going to 10 times more at 230,000 responses

Who are you going to listen to 29,000 or the 230,000

I make over 10 grand a month my uplines get 25 grand a month doing 15 hours max and theres uplines who retire by the age of 30.

The guy or girl who posted this site isnt a loser for having a regular job. But this person is a loser for saying negative things and if your an IBO we know from experience people only say negative things because there angry and want others to feel sorry for them.

At 7/21/2007 06:47:00 PM, Anonymous Slamb said...

Dear Loser,

And that IS your name....LOSER!! Ha ha ha. For your information, cults recruit smart people, not dumb ones. They recruit people that are likely to be successful. Most dumb people are not successful. By the way, the next time that you decide to beat up on a group of people by saying that they cannot spell, you may want to keep a dictionary handy so that you will not make the mistake of misspelling the words NECESSARY, PLATITUDES and ANYTHING again.

At 7/25/2007 03:43:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Slamb,

You're completely brainwashed. Your argument makes no sense.
How the fuck can cults recruit smart people? Smart people don't need to do get into direct selling to become successful. They'd look for a more stable income with less risk.
It's the dumb people that gets recruited because they're so easily convinced and once you start babbling about easy incomes and retirement at an early age (with no solid facts), these idiots will spend all their savings on these products. In other words, idiots are easily influenced and can be used as tools.

Loser: don't post your comments when you can't even spell or use grammer properly-

At 8/18/2007 10:26:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

588,000 hits when you type in quixtar, the great thing is when you register with quixtar you are funding an orginization you are right but with the items that YOU ya YOU go to the store to buy we but out of our MLM quixtar for our use and we get PAID back granted you have to do a little work to show others that they can get paid back for the purchases as well but it is word of mouth advertising. I make $100,000 a MONTH yes a MONTH that is more that most americans make a year just for showing people how quixtar works and letting them decide weather they want to change or not!!! So that is why I like well LOVE quixtar and the free interprize of USA you don't have to be educated to be rich you just have to make a friend and find a need.

At 1/06/2008 03:33:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You guys are all a bunch of assholes. I am more aducated than any person in this country and I am a Quixtar IBO making more money than all of you together.Even though I am a very proud and successfull Quixtar IBO, I am also a senior systems analyst. If I had to decide between the two I would keep quixtar.

At 1/14/2008 12:25:00 PM, Anonymous reason said...

Wow, more "aducated" than any person in the country? I'm impressed! And you find it necessary to keep blogging about how great Quciksand, er, I mean Quixtar is??? "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." Now go quick, some audio CDs from Quixtar are waiting for your purchase!

At 3/14/2008 08:12:00 PM, Blogger maria said...

I sold over $400 on quixtar products and got a check for only $73.
My up line congratulated me for making 100 points. I was so disappointed.Their products are great but their money making plan sucks ass.

At 4/06/2008 01:11:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To all who are listening (really listening):

I was a Quixtar IBO from 1999 - 2002. I am a college graduate (smart person), and I totally gave in to the "You can do it, no matter what it takes" attitudes that permeated through my team from our upline. I don't have the exact numbers with me, but I can tell you that I had reported losses for each of those three years. I am not saying that it won't work (it probably will eventually, for about 1% of IBO's), I am only saying that it didnt work for me. I decided to spend more time with my family and continue building my career, instead of working a second job where the odds of becoming financially free were astronomical. Anyone contemplating becoming an IBO, or joining an MLM group should give some thought to the addage "With great wealth comes great responsibility". As a successful IBO (Diamond), you will have less time to spend with family and friends (provided you still have friends outside the business). Lots of luck to the "road warriors".

At 1/19/2009 01:17:00 AM, Anonymous usana said...

I guess it is really a tough question for the business men.

At 7/06/2009 12:46:00 PM, Anonymous Eric Messett said...

I've done an extensive research on mlm's, there is alot of bad companies and they are some that are really good, the best one I found is called Beyond marketing.

At 11/01/2010 03:18:00 PM, Anonymous Usana Vitamins said...

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