Sunday, August 22, 2004

Normal Business vs. Quixtar

A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing.
George Bernard Shaw

Quixtar critics are usually called losers who just can't make it and now they are trying to stop every body else. Let me tell you my another "failure".

We started a vending machine business in year 2000. We bought a franchise for $30, 000 CAD including 17 vending machines and got them installed in different malls. Our parent franchise went bankrupt, left us with no marketing etc. This business generated $100 / month on average for 2 years, and then we took the machines off. We lost $30,000.

We joined Quixtar; quit it in less than a year, lost around $10k in it.

But I am not angry about 30, 000 we lost in vending machines business. Not at all. Sure, loss is 3 times than Quixtar. And I am fiercely angry at Quixtar. I’ll try to explain the reasons.

1) There’s still hope we can sell that business. Because we OWN it. That was a franchise, so is Quixtar, as they say it is. Can we sell our Quixtar business?

2) We were never told in the vending machine business that we can make millions. Just some extra hundreds. In Quixtar promises were so outrageous that now I am wondering how people get fooled into it? Well! Humans tend to trust each other.

3) Our first and only expense on the vending machine business was CAD $30,000. We had to buy material, but its price was very nominal. And we knew about it! In Quixtar, a person signs up thinking $350 (CAD) is the only cost but monthly expenses reaches around $1000. And this is excluding redirection from Food basic / Wal-mart.

$60 STO
$24 opens
$100 / month (6 trips to US, one trip cost AT LEAST $200)
300 PV => $650 extra (300 PV is actually $750 but I subtracted $100 I saved by avoiding Wal-Mart)
Shipment, GST + PST on product = $50
$100 extra fuel
$21 Kate
$10 website
= $1015 / month (extra)

Are prospects told this is the running cost of quixtar business, assholes?

4) When the vending machines business was dying, our expenses reduced. Less material sold means less material need to be bought. Same goes with time required. In Quixtar, both remains the same, rather increase since SOBs (Sons of bitches) push more tapes on you.

5) We didn’t have to cash-in our relationships to make profit in vending machine business. In Quixtar, family and friends are the first one for STP.

6) We didn’t think about vending machines all the time. We, however missed no opportunity to talk to the strangers for Quixtar, and were busy listening / talking to upline / downline for rest of the time.

7) We never felt guilty in vending machine business for not making enough sales, and no one tried to make us. No body neither insulted us, nor begged us. We were not supposed to do these things as well.

8) There was no fucking quota to meet.

9) We didn’t have to go to any association in our or other country to 'learn the business'. And don’t get me started on those damn associations. I’ve written about them in my previous posts.

10) For vending machine franchise, I don’t have to worry that there are other people out there loosing money in this scam. It was just a business which, for some genuine reasons did not work. Maybe if I sell it to some body that has enough resources, this might work.

I'll try to summarize it. I don’t feel bad if I didn’t succeed in a legal business. I do feel guilty, angry and embarrassed when I’m been scammed, and I am used to scam other people.

Let me know if I should think differently. Should I be angry at my failure at vending machine business as well? Should I feel ok with Quixtar? And why?

It seems to me that loss of time and money is not that big a deal. $30K / 10 hours a week for 2 years vs $10K / 25 hours a week for less then a year. Both are losses, yet I'm quite ok with one and so not with the other.

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At 8/22/2004 09:13:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To be honest, you seem to have hit the nail on the head with this.

In a way, your experience with the machines is sort of like my expierience with returning to school for web design. In that, I knew what the risks were and what I was going to be in for; and I knew I might fail. As it happened, the web design market crashed between signing up and getting my associates, but that was a risk I knew could have happened (and did happen). Plus, while I haven't gotten a job out of it, I have done a couple of pieces for friends and family, so it's not like it has totally gone to waste.

At 8/23/2004 04:30:00 AM, Blogger Loser said...

Yes, it was definitely not a waste of time. You've got education and some experience. Market maybe bit slower nowadays but being a professional developer myself, you might get job as web designer in near future.

Good luck and all the best!

At 8/23/2004 11:14:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you boycotting quixtarBLOG? I haven't seen you post there since some of the posts got ...edited...

Outsider's Perspective

At 8/23/2004 12:15:00 PM, Blogger Loser said...

LOL no, I love QuixtBLOG. Thanks for asking. I'm not an egomaniac and it'll take much more than that to get rid of me :)

I'll be back soon with a new story, I have been chased around by a new MLM in town This Sunday I have to go to their meeting, else I'll risk losing two friends. We'll start jimanizing that MLM then, even before :D

At 8/24/2004 03:15:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hello, i must say, that is a great way to explain your point of view.

all in all, i guess as long as people are informed about the risks and all, and you yourself decide to do the business knowing the risks, it was all fair game.

well, i've been an IBO for about a month, and my close friend referred me, but without knowing "enough" about the business. while i am going to continue to do the business, i am reading all that i can (quixtarBLOG, your blog, and others as well) so i can be fully aware of what i am going into, and that i can explain the full story to others.

hopefully this can provide an honest business environment. personally, i like some of the products, so i don't mind buying them. and some of the educational material are pretty decent, not all of course.

well, thanks of providing info for all the people out there.


At 8/24/2004 09:50:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


Doesn't it bother your that buying the products is supporting a company that has lived by a pyramid that has been losing money? You do understand, don't you, that the more money you IBOs lose, the better Amway does, and as your losses have mounted to billions of dollars, the Amway families got rich? Things do get complicated, but as an outsider, it seems to me that Amway reveals info and hides info in a way to keep you in the dark.

Outsider's Perspective

At 8/24/2004 07:07:00 PM, Blogger Loser said...

Thanks sb,

Yes, as long as a person makes an informed decision, its fine. Just keep your eyes open and watch for the tools that are pushed on you. Tapes, books, seminars.

Some products are definitely good. I still use them, believe it or not. Product business is legitimate, tape business.....well it takes only 90cents to produce a tape.....What happened to me was that these little expenses mounted up.

I do hope that you keep coming to the sites you mentioned and stay in touch.

Good luck.

At 8/25/2004 08:58:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


It seems to me that you guys might be making a mistake by looking at it that way, some products are good. There are many levels to the psychology of the scam. Millions lost billions, but 20 kingpins ruined it for everybody by getting too greedy. People are mentored to do foolish things with their money, but my mentor really does care about me and is helping me in every aspect of my life. Most people can see through the scam, but we are going to be polite about it and try not to upset our friends who might be involved in the mistake. We have learned that the government defines Amway as a legal pyramid because it doesn't saturate, but we now know the government can justify practically anything when they start in on the definitions.l

The pyramid is negative, and that is all you need to know about it. Of course some people are happy with a negative pyramid for various reasons, so they would rather help keep things obscure. That sounds a little like the smoke and mirrors that Ruth wrote a book about. I hear it is a good book on the subject.

Outsider's Perspective

At 8/25/2004 12:55:00 PM, Blogger Loser said...

You are right, Outsider's Perspective. When I said product business is legitimate, I certainly didn't mean that the product business of Quixtar(I apologize for the confusion). Quixtar / Amway are in violation of FTC since last 2 decades. E.g. very less retail. Aside from it, it's inherently flawed as well; see my current post, cost of being an IBO. If a person retails, then and only then s/he can avoid losing money. Arguably, it may not be worth time and effort.

If you are familiar with blue company concept, Quixtar is so not blue. Millions of ppl are hurting, they are losing their jobs, putting their marriage in trouble, and extensive traveling put them and other at the increased risk for road accidents. In my Dark (Quixtar) days, I slept on the wheel while driving because if was up late building this business. One better stay away and try to pull out as many IBOs as they can, for the IBOs own sake.

Think of it like rescuing ur friend from drugs. At least I do.

At 11/10/2004 02:15:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


You go, dude. You're saying exactly what many many others are saying about all this and I hope, in some way, that your contributions to the blogsphere are helping someone sort through this bull called tools and sponsorship with Quixtar.

Some products are good. I won't deny that. I'm still boycotting them, though. I don't care if their spot remover is the only thing that gets stuff off of my good clothes, when I run out I run out: End of discussion. Why? What did Quixtar the store do to me?

Quixtar the store allows Quixtar AMOs to fleece their downline with ridiculous CDs containing stories about kingpin's dogs, vacations, whatever. I could care less about damn Migo when it comes to business.

As a side note, Quixtar isn't the only place I'm boycotting. I got rude service at McDonalds in my neighborhood, so I don't go there. Kroger in my neighborhood doesn't carry Caffine Free Diet Coke, so I don't go to that store. Before I became a broke sucker through my association with Quixtar, I had successfully boycotted Wal-Mart for three years because I KNOW how they treat their employees.. I'm from friggin Arkansas I know how tight-assed they are. Now I can't afford anything much but Wal-mart, but I limit those purchases to the things I depend on most... tp, soap, etc. Even some of that stuff comes from Dollar Tree now when I can find it.

Boycotting Quixtar shouldn't be as huge of an ordeal as it has become. Think about it.. if it were truly a business, as you so adequately pointed out, then there wouldn't be so much emotion attached. Since there is.. that tells me that something's (sneezing) ascam.. ascam... excuse me... ascamm....


At 8/09/2005 05:02:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Success is different for everyone. To me succes would be to just get out of working 12 hour days 6 days a week in construction and home to see my kids grow.
I may not know everything there is to know about Quixtar however, the little that I Do know is that they are up front with the costs and you can sell your business. The teambuilder concept they are using now gives even more confert to succes in the future.. there is no bottom man for long. I don't know maybe i think different because ive been successful and am part of the fastes growing district in the business. Quixtar's got my vote, BECAUSE I have never been promised anything.

Outsiders opinion

At 8/13/2005 01:08:00 AM, Blogger Reb said...

I have stumbled across this blog and am finding there are a lot of people like me. I am adding my comment to this post as a plea for anyone in the beginning stages of this business to stop immediately! I think I knew from the first function that this business was made up of several (not all) greedy people. I knew this because as soon as we arrived in the hosting town I was very hungry and was told that we were going to support our business during this weekend and I ate those terribly nasty meal replacement bars and protein bars and washed them down with xs after xs after xs. This to me was an early warning sign of how my upline was going to act later on. A lot of you were talking about hidden cost and you couldn't be more right. Since my wife and I have decided to quit the business we have added up what we spent in the year and a half and it went over $10,000 due to functions, Rallies, Open Meetings, Van rentals for larger events, Fuel to those events and clothing (suits "business wear") for me and her. My wife was told early that her attire did not meet the standards of the team so in haste she changed her attire at additional cost to us. The thing that drew me to the business was my upline Platinum a truely great guy but as I learned later on his title was hit once or twice but I found out that he only qualified for platinum a few months out of the year. I was totally into the business until I hit 2500 one month and the next fell back to 1900pts. During our open meeting they would have all 2500's stand up and give name, occupation and what is driving them to their goals. I did not stand up that first week and my upline told me that I was discouraging the growth of the team by not standing up. I explained that I felt I was lying to people if I claimed to be at that level. He explained that it would not be lying if I would work harder to keep at that level. Keep in mind that I have two boys who had not seen their parents hardly during the year it took me to get their. I totally lost the respect of my upline and realized that the money they were talking about isn't worth losing your name because I lost the credit of a lot of friends because of this business and lost a entire year of being with my sons for only the debt that it cost my wife and I. There is so much more to this story but please heed my warning. Thanks for allowing me to comment.


At 10/04/2005 10:56:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmmm first this is not a pyramid like some of you say. What is a pyramid? A pyramid is something where you can not make more then the person on top which is untrue in quitar. Do you think that all these companies would be working with a scam! Come on use your brain. Im sorry you got out at 1900 pv because if you made it that far what stoped you from going even farther. I dont know how you guys lost all that money when WWDB( world wide dream builders) teaches you how to make the buisness pay for its self. Yes by brothers buisness is paying for its self plus all his household products. There is no reason you should of lost all that money! come on people do you think your going to make it with your job who does not care about you and your family, and dont lie to yourself. Even doctors have to invest there money some were else in order to retire. If your looking for info on quixtar at least check real places like the BBB, and stop looking here the bathroom wall of the internet. These people do not understand that the opisite of sucsess is not failing its quiting. think about it how many people thought that thomas A Eddison was crazy inventing a light bulb? How many times do you think he failed? THOUSANDS OF TIMES! but look what came of it.

At 10/04/2005 11:17:00 PM, Blogger Loser said...

Pyramid definition is wrong.

- Money from out to in = legit business

- money from top to bottom = pyramid. My employer pays me, I don't pay him money.

Regarding Edison, yeah he failed. Ppl with job fail too ;) But his research was correct, and that's why he succeeded. Not because he failed so many times that God granted him the victory.

Quixtar, OTOH is inhrently flawed. It will work if you participate in the flaw and fool others.

At 10/29/2005 12:19:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


Sorry, being an IBO in Quixtar actually works...You all get righteous in saying Quixtar is so terrible, "mind control" - "its a cult."

I think this makes you feel better, knowing that you wouldn't have the courage to try something like this anyway.

Oh and about spending thousands on "tools"- how stupid do you have to be to do that anyway? I haven't paid for anything I listen to or read, my upline just gives the stuff to me!

How about this, i wanted some information on my access to tax deductions - I called our tax guy - I started talking the owner of the business and it turns out that he too is an IBO in Quixtar. Now dont you think that this man #1) being the owner of a successful business and #2)knowing everything there is to know about taxes and business - would have pretty good credibility when it comes to this type of thing? Obviously he knows it works!

Your all sheep...Enjoy your social security checks...the truth hurts.

At 10/29/2005 01:33:00 AM, Blogger Loser said...

So..anyone who criticizes Quixtar, you make assumptions about them?

Accountant, Enron ... don't get it ;)

My sponsor and upline both accountants.

At 11/08/2005 07:28:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is quite obvious that this company either brings out the most positive or the most negative emotions in people. I was approached by an IBO and was planning to meet tonight, however I don't see the value of it based on what I've read here.

At 11/13/2005 01:04:00 PM, Blogger efficiencystudent said...

I've been studying this topic for a while now and this is what I've come up with. People are never more bitter about something then when they are told that anyone can do it and then they fail or give up after they do a lot of stupid things in the process. All of the bad comments that I've seen from this and other sites relate to "hidden" expenses. Most are delivery and pick up expenses incurred through the old system of amway. Others are cd's, tapes, pamphlets, or even trips to seminars for christs sake. Who are these people? I have been reading talking to and hearing information for free from friends loaned books or cd's or the infinite number of sites on the internet. This system is simple you buy things(just as you always do). It is shipped to your door. You receive a check depending on how much you are already buying. Then you let other people know what you are doing. If you lose time with your kids because you have spent too much time in the business that's your own fault. If you drop out just as your business is taking off that's your fault. If you feel the need to pressure friends then that's your fault. Stop blaming other people for your failures and own up the the fact that YOU failed.

At 11/13/2005 01:54:00 PM, Blogger Loser said...

1) Ppl are bitter about many things.

2) Were you in Quixtar?

3) What level are you?

4) Enron victims, it was their fault? You'll run away in few comments any ways.

What about, ok I'm ready to moved on, but Quixtar creeps keep hitting on me? It is annoying! My sponsor still tries to lure me in.

Secret: I would have moved on if I was not constantly bugged.

At 11/13/2005 04:12:00 PM, Blogger efficiencystudent said...

I have never been in quixtar but after everything I have discovered about it I am seriously considering becoming an IBO. Of course not everyone will become wealthy from this business but I work a heck of a lot harder at my current job and see less benefits. If I work a day I get paid for a day. I would rather work for a day and receive a small benefit from that day's work for a long time to come then get what seems to be a big check on that day. I don't need to quit my day job. I don't need to spend a bunck of money on books and cds. And I don't need to try to go "platinum" in a year, or two, or three. However 10 years down the road for minimal "work" I could be receiving checks on a regular basis that will secure my desired lifestyle. My father went to college, got his degree, worked for a company until he was very close to retirement and then they laid him off. The only work he was able to get was manual labor for half the pay. That's the trap, that's the scam!

At 11/14/2005 12:07:00 AM, Blogger Loser said...

So you fell for residual income? That, my friend, doesn’t exist in Quixtar.

Brad Duncan says he has seen half of his business fade away every year for last 20 years. Quixtar number says the same, 67% quit their first year. To qualify for bonus, u need to be above ur downline. E.g. if u r not a platinum, u won't get platinum downline bonus.

What does that mean? Mean you have to keep working to stay ahead ur downline. Also if you don't work, ur downline wont. If you are not above PV level of your downline, you get 0.

Sorry to hear about your dad, but he do get paid, right? Less, yeah. But he doesn’t pay money to work.

C'mon man, u r paying Quixtar to sell their items. That's what it is!

At 11/15/2005 12:19:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

My husband and I are IBOS. We aren't rich, but we do earn about $500/month from our Quixtar business. The additional income has allowed us to have some extras around the house. To pay down some bills. And when our daughter was in a car accident about a month ago and out of work, the income we earned from Quixtar paid her car payment while she was on bed rest. We now have tax advantages that we didn't have before. Oh, and the things we buy every month are the things we were buying before we started our business so we don't consider them to be a loss. We have simply turned our expenses into an income stream. Not to mention that Quixtar offers a money back guarantee and picks up the postage for returns. On the subject of lost relationships, we have not loss any family or friends. Yes, we have offerred our family and friends this business opportunity and some have come on board with us and some haven't. But we are still family and still friends. Why would that change? It's an opportunity not a mandate which means that you have a choice in the matter. With the extra money coming in we have been able to give money or help family that we couldn't afford to help before. On the subject of association, I have found that the people associated in this business are some of the best people I have ever associated with in life. There are people from every background and ethnicity. It is truly an equal opportunity for everyone. I have found that people who are not financially strapped have a better outlook on life and their future so we don't complain or find time to bash other people.

I am sorry that you are angry. I wanted people reading this to hear our story as well.

At 11/15/2005 02:40:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would just like to say that my husband and I have been IBOs for about 5 months. We haven't made millions yet, BUT WE WILL. I don't consider the Quixtar business a loss because since we have been IBOs my husband and I have made so many new friends. We have not had to lose our previous friends, we have just chosen to hang out with more positive people. When we go to our open meetings we don't feel judged or looked down upon by anyone. Our open meeting houses about 65-70 IBOs every week, plus about 15-20 guests...tell me this doesn't work again.
Not all business' are going to work to your advantage. But, going to a J.O.B. every day doesn't really work towards your advantage unless your are high on the pay scale. For all of you who say that Quixtar is a "pyramid", look at your daily job. You will never make more than your boss, your boss will never make more than theirs, they will never make more than the owner. The only way you will work your way to the top in a JOB is if someone quits, gets fired or God forbid, dies. What you do everyday is considered a Pyramid!! In Quixtar you can make more than your up upline. You do the work, you get matter how long you have been in the business! Look beyond the negative and what others say and check out the business yourself!
Be sure to get invooved with an IBO that is excited about the business, someone who has a (+) outlook, someone who encourages open mtgs, seminars, functions, tools.....
Quixtar is the funnest business we have been involved and we have met some of the greatest people through the business.
Wish you all the luck!

At 11/17/2005 07:17:00 PM, Blogger Joecool18 said...

How come when someone does not succeed in the business, they are failures (as individuals) but when someone succeeds, it is the wonderful teaching system? Aren't the mentors (diamonds) also responsible for some of the failures?

At 12/07/2005 01:57:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know alot of people who do/did quixtar. I do not know anyone who has made money off quixtar. It all goes back to the "to good to be true" saying. Also, do any of these IBO's have business degrees? What about courses in business theory? There is a reason why you do not make as much as your boss. That reason is becuase if you did, you would not have the incentive to work hard to attain that higher position with more pay.

I just feel sorry for the friends that I have seen drop out of school for this crap. I take great joy in knowing that when I go to work, I won't be asked by my boss to stroke him a check.

At 12/11/2005 02:22:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I feel that there is a way to run the business and if you don't do it the right way, then you will get those results. The effort you put into the business is equal to the final outcome. It says that it is not a get rich quick scheme. You may not see any profit until the third year or so that you have ran the business. It also says that it is a business opportunity to make extra money while still doing what you have been doing. Being on the right team has a lot to do with how you learn how to run your business. This business is not for weak people. I believe in the business and really don't expect to see a huge profit for a few years.

At 1/13/2006 04:51:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Quixtar is the perfect haven for idiots, losers, incompetents, thugs, and the gullible. I have two acquiantances who have been subjected to the rhetoric of "living the dream," "doing the business," "making it work for me," "walking the beaches of the world." The truth is that very very very few ever step foot on a beach. For many, Quixtar sucks the income from beneath their own feet. Most IBO's can't even afford gas to drive to the beach. Second, what kind of a dream is Quixtar selling? Who dreams of giving their money to line the pockets of rich, manipulative, and deceptive thugs? Yeah, some dream. To all those considering Quixtar BUYER BEWARE. Quixtar is for losers.


At 1/17/2006 01:18:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I very much resent the previous comment because I have a Bachelors degree in Education and graduated Sum Cum Laude. My husband and I are IBO's and we know that we may not make a lot of money for sometime because it is just like any other business out there. Anyone would starts up a business has to put,usually,a lot of money into it to get it going. Even if the business goes for three to five years they still may end up going bankrupt if they do not keep managing it. Being an IBO allows me to be able to associate with other "actual" business owners(if you want to go there) and this is what they all say. I have a friend who owns an archery shop and he said that he had to invest $100,000 to get the business started, well he just celebrated his first year in the shop and he did not turn a profit, so is he a failure, an idiot, incompetent. My brother also owns a window covering business and he also did not see much profit until his fifth year of business and then it skyrocketed, but he had to be willing to put in long hours of passing out fliers, and "pushing" his business onto his customers. Quixstar is in my opinion the exact same thing, except I have a mentor that has proven to me that it does work, if I am willing to follow in his footsteps I can get to aleast see some money in it. I also agree with a previous comment that everything that I purchase through Quixstar I was already spending anyway at Fry's and Wal-Mart, but at the end of the month did I ever recieve a thank you check from either store, I DON'T THINK SO!!! If fact when I shopped at Wal-mart, I found out that I was helping put good American citizens out of work because most of the things that Wal-mart sells comes from out of the country.
One last thing, I wanted to say for those of you that are looking at this site to get iformation about Quixstar, ask yourself this question, If you were looking to open a Subway francise, would you go to those Subway business owners whose Subway went out of business for info or do you think you would go to a Subway owner whose business is prospering? For all those who know who Robert T Kyosoki, "Rich Dad, Poor Dad", Quixstar is the ONLY small business opportunity that he endorses, think about that.

At 1/17/2006 01:29:00 AM, Blogger Loser said...

Kayoski? Guy lives in a big "Liability" a.k.a. house, against his own advice.

He was not even a known writer till he found out IBO market. Of-course he's going to endorese it! Pay me money, I'll endorse satanism.

At 1/17/2006 01:08:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well we all live in houses, but his is paid for. Can you say the same? I do not know about you but I think I will listen to a guy who has paid for his house rather then one who still has a mortgage, becuse I want to be able to have a house paid for.

At 1/23/2006 09:24:00 AM, Anonymous gallaleuci said...

I am an Quixtar IBO and I believe in the business. I grew up using the products and know that the products sell themselves. They are good, solid products.

This is not a get rich quick business, however it does work. By changing your buying habits you can easily reach the 3% bonus level every month without any downline increasing your PV.

I will say that the sponsor line can make a difference in your own outlook on the business. I have a friend whose sponsorship is very aggressive and sucks the money from his bank account. Where our sponsorship is supportive with whatever track we choose to pave. We only buy tapes etc WHEN WE CHOOSE not when we are forced to. We only buy products when we want to. We tell our friends about the opportunity and let them choose whether they want to be a part of the business.

I have been an IBO for almost 7 years and have never lost a cent because I have bought things that I would have bought at the local retail stores anyway.

People succeed and fail at almost every type of business out there, however, the truly successful are those who never give up.

At 1/23/2006 02:56:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree whole-heartedly. Amen to you.

At 1/24/2006 03:44:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

For one thing, those of you who are counting products from Quixtar (such as XS or Protein bars)for personal cunsumption as a business expense, go pee up a rope. If you don't need those products or can't afford them, don't buy them. Who cares if you don't personally reach 100PV for a month. Its the total, and I repeat total volume of your downline that earns you your bonuses.

I really feel sorry for those of you who had bad experiences with your uplines. I only wish you had the expierence of my upline. I have never been promised anything. All the training and support from my upline has not cost me a dime. My upline bends head over heals for me when I need something and they certainly don't cram XS and Trim bars down my throat at functions.

At 2/19/2006 01:24:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have been an IBO for approximately 2 months now, and I can say that I haven't turned a profit yet. That is just like any other business though. At the rate that my business is growing though, I will show a profit in about 2 months. A PROFIT AFTER 4 MONTHS IN BUSINESS???? That's a pretty good deal if you ask me. My team is the fastest growing team in the business and I am definitely proud to be part of it!!

At 2/19/2006 01:30:00 AM, Blogger Loser said...

I've been consulting business for about 2 years now. (aside from my job).

I have turned profit EVERY month. Profit = Revenue - Expenses.

I count fuel and time as expenses as well.

At 2/19/2006 01:10:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a practicing CPA, and owned my own accounting practice, prior to becoming an IBO. I analyzed the business carefully, and decided to sign up. After 5 years of losing money, I called it quits. Here are my conclusions:
1) Quixtar can work, but it takes a lot of luck, strained relationships, hard work, and money.
2) If it doesn't work, you have to look at what its given you. For me, it was incredible confidence, fun times, good friends, great products, and many tax breaks.

At 2/22/2006 10:53:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I currently work a full time JOB and the fact remains I will never achieve my God given talents in that environment. I run a film development company on the side and have pumped thousand of dollars in the business without seeing one red cent of a return. I do these things because in life the only way to succeed is to try. My wife and I have join Quixtar as IBO's, about 3 weeks ago. We are aware of the fact that we may not make a dime, although very unlikely because "No has ever paid me to EAT!" But one thing we do know, that any business of any worth, requires work. And the laws of the universe state that if you keep at it smartly you will succeed. We are not looking for a quick fix, but something more long term (1-3yrs) I have a friend who has a business in Pre-Paid Legal, selling one product. She has not worked in 3, maybe 5 years because she makes enough money not too. In fact she invested money into my film business. I said I was looking to raise money, her statement was how much? About 20k, she pulled out her check book and wrote me a check for 5k just like that (hasn't ask for it back either), and I use to look at what she was doing as a waste of time...Who is really wasting time her or me! The bottom line in Ecclesiates 11: 4-6 it reads "Keep on sowing your seeds for you never know which will grow-perhaps it all will." We have not giving up anything but only placed ourselves in a position to continue to sow seeds, and we know with the proper watering it will grow. So get smart, find your farm land and start sowing your own seeds, every business is not for everyone. Find what works for you, which can bring you the lifestyle you desire and deserve. And if a JOB is the answer, continue to to watch the financical reports, and see how long you have before you are out of the loop and have to find an alternative means of support.

God Bless

At 2/28/2006 12:59:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think all of you losers who failed in Quixtar are MORONS! I,ve been involved with Quixtar for almost a year now and am at 6300pv. No one ever promised me anything. My upline told me what I needed to do to go platnium in a year and I followed his advice. If you spent $$$ in excess of $500 you are stupid. But how much would you need to invest in any store front business? Probably $100,000s of dollars. If all your life is reduced to is trying to bring down other people than I feel really sorry for you. Go back to work as a janitor or McDonalds and have a nice life! I hope you continue to be poor. Suckers!

At 3/01/2006 10:17:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I 've read you comments, although you will probably never read min. I am confused that you would consider your loss of money in Quixtar is a waste. Did you take it off on your taxes?? If you did you either lied about your losses or you could'nt figure out business 101, either way you have no creditability. I can't respect a man who calls one loss that leaves him with out dated equipment and and storage fees over one that you deducted from your taxes and I hope provided you with knowledge and business training. ( Before you discount this I am a doctor who used the teachings from Quixtar to build multiple succesful clinics) .. Lastly, if you learned nothing from the books and Cd's .. you would be the foolish one for buying them.

At 3/01/2006 11:05:00 PM, Blogger Loser said...

Losses as a tax write off? Do you even know how taxes work?

Let me guess. You are making money as a doctor and Quixtar losses are saving you money there.

If you just loses money, don't make any, than government is not going to reimburse you. You can get a break on ur other income's income tax. Which I'm not sure is so legal. Ask IRS.

Btw, an anonymous commenter has sure lot more credibilty ;) At least every one knows who I am. Here is a test, find out my name in 5 seconds. It is possible. If you can't, you are severly retarded.

At 3/14/2006 02:43:00 AM, Blogger jay said...

To all of you IBO's, have you ever really looked and compared the price of the products you sell to that of other stores. I have and I can buy everything that is sold by Amway oh I mean Quixtar for at least half the price. Also to you IBO's let me ask you this, who the hell needs an IBO to order a product on line. That is the stupidest thing. I can go online to WalMart or whatever store and order products without an IBO. How did Amway oh sorry I did it again I mean Quixtar brainwash you into that one. Oh and yes Quixtar is run by the same people that ran Amway, that is a fact. Just read every internet posting about quixtar including an article that Dateline has listed on their website. Just do a search on quixtar and you will get the truth.

At 3/14/2006 02:51:00 AM, Blogger jay said...

Oh in case you are too lazy to go to Dateline and look up Quixtar. It states and I quote, "So how much does an average Quixtar distributor really make? Well, only about $1,400 per year. What is the source for that figure? It's Quixtar itself. You can find it in the fine print of the company's own registration materials."

And to the others that mention things about not having a mortgage. I work a real job, I have a beautiful wife two wonderful kids, a car, truck, brand new motorcycle and I have been to many different countries, including but no limited too Italy, Burma, Thailand and others. So have fun making your $1,400 a year while I have fun with my real job.


At 3/28/2006 01:05:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just had to chime in with my two cents. Some time back a friend of my wife and myself presented us with what he called a "business opportunity" . He came to our house and told us about Prepaid Legal and all the wonderful things it could do for us. At that time not only was I gullible but I was also in a desperate situation because I was unable to work. (residency status... since resolved)

I jumped at the opportunity.. after some time had elapsed and i had been taken to seminar and seminar and asked to weaer suits and ties and witnessed my "so called" friend standing and acknowledging that he was a memberof the elite "players club" I decided that something was wrong.

you see, initially he had told me that he made in excess of 5000 per month just through prepaid legal, then when i saw him standing as a member of the players club i realised that he was lying to me. The guy was broke, but claiming to be in a players club.

I decided to do some research and Lo and behold uncovered the dirty secrets of the business. I accumulated information and at the next meeting I brought my issues to the forefront. I was quickly ushered out of the room and asked to not make a fuss . Needless to say I cancelled our membership.

My wife recently was approached about the Quixtar business and against my advice she decided to join and promptly got three other persons to join. She told me of the wonders of the business and how much money she could make and that she would no longer have to shop in the local supermarket. My friends once again I researched, and presented my wife and all her friends with the information that i had acccumulated. They have all since withdrawn themselves from the business.

this is not a matter of who failed and who succeeded. the fact is when only 1 percent of members are successful we all lose. those of us selling this idea should seriously consider the implications on the lives that we are affecting. I recently started a domestic and commercail cleaning business and though it is hard work. I am reaping the rewards of my hard work.

Be vigilant and trust your gut. this thing sounds too good to be true. I am not in any way trying to disrespect anyone . But let us all be fair and just and not destroy another man's life just through greed.

la luta continua

At 4/06/2006 10:56:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please allow me to you what happened to me:

A while a go a friend, (who I thought was showing personal interest in me) started to invite me out with his 'friends'. At first we would go to a boat show and look and everything he told me one day he was going to purchase one of them.
Next he invited to someone’s house to meet again. He never told me it was a Quixtar meeting.

Finally he invited me to what he called 'professional development.' It was Quixtar's Dream weekend. An Amway seminar!!! He also told me that I would get 1/2 off the ticket if joined! I unknowingly joined Quixtar! I got out as soon as we got back!

To all in past and present members,
1 Why do the meetings go on sometimes past midnight?
2. Why are they always trying to sell you books and tapes? Even in their 'church services?
3. Why don't they ever mention the word Amyway? or Quixtar?
4. At the meeting I went to, there were ZERO minorities, why?
5. Why do people spend hours talking about there dog, their big house and riches? Shouldn't you be talking about the products?
6. Why don't people come out and say do you want to join Amway or Quixtar instead of a 'business opportunity'? If Quixtar was that good shouldn't IBO members be proud and say it?

I was very deceived!!!! To potential members be careful!

Washington D.C

At 4/07/2006 09:07:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You guys have a real problem. Ive been an Ibo for couple of months. And ive been doing pretty good. I do as my upline tells and read. Now i get client really quick. So the 300 pv that i make comes from the and not from. And my buisness keeps getting bigger because i focus on getting a customer a day. That give me money to pay for the membership and the kate plus more and in top of that my job which is Targeti make the same amount of money so thats good.

At 4/07/2006 11:36:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you really that independent if you have to always do what your upline tells you?

Shouldn't you be able to shape your business the way you want to?

How are you getting a new IBO so quickly? Are you always upfront and tell them you are with Amway/Quitar? Or do you say you have your own business? If you're not you are tricking them!

At 4/12/2006 03:44:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I understand what you are saying but the fact that you are called an indendant business owner should have clued you in on the fact that it is a business and the amount of time and energy and resourse would be that of starting any business. Quixtar is a great business but it does demand alot from you also. If you opperated any other business wouldn't you first go to family and friends to sell products to. It appears to me that you should place the blame on your UPLINE who lied to you about what you could make and how much time you would have to spent marketing yourself.

I would also suggest turning them in to Quixtar Business Rules and Conduct

At 4/12/2006 03:52:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow! I was approached by a friend last week about Quixtar and decided to investigate it first before deciding to be part of it. I have to be very honest....I'm very confused! I agree that it's a little strange that this business is soo misterious...I've been trying to get information on how much I can expect to pay for montly and how it really works and it's impossible to find that kind of information! I went to one of these meetings last night and I did not learn anything about the actual business...all they talked about was how much money u get and how you can travel to Paris to have lunch (yeah..he actually said that...) and the meeting was so emotional!!!!! Ok, to me if you are talking about a new business you have to have some kind o logical explanation to why I should be part of it and not start telling me stories about your own life and starting crying..please...give me a break! I'm still looking for more information before I decide what to do...but if you are an IBO could you please tell me exactly how you sell your products, how much you are expected to spend montly and please be very straight foward!!!
Thank you so much!

At 4/20/2006 12:12:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well you may not post this because it is directed at the person who wrote, Quixtar Sucks. The language is offensive. No wonder you failed.

At 5/12/2006 04:15:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am currently an IBO in Quixtar going on 3 years now and we are very excited about our venture. I respect everyones' opinions about Quixtar, but I find it impossible that all replies on this website are negative. Within 18 Months of the program, we have replaced my wifes income as a full time bank teller and by this year I will double my income in my current occupation.

Quixtar is definetly not for everyone, especially since it is a performanced based business. I think it's excellent that people like you degrade a business that ninety percent of fortune five-hundred companies play ball with. It would be even more conducive if everyone wuld not be anonymous so that we can keep people like you out of our business and save some time for both parties. Quixtar does not work, if you do not work it.

By the way, get you a copy of "Success from Home" magazine on nationwide newstands. Quixtar is covered front to back. Not bad for a pyramid scheme, like your JOB!

At 12/05/2006 05:52:00 PM, Blogger Silver Streak said...

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At 12/11/2006 12:43:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Honestly I can't believe you feel like that. In any traditional business, you have a huge start up cost, inventory, or even employees. You're already in debt. If you're lucky, you may even make some profit in five years. Quixtar lets you have a business little for nothing but has great support and mentorship out there. You cannot succeed in any business unless you have the knowledge or someone who has gone through it before you did. Quixtar has great and competitive produts and I love them. I don't know where you get your numbers from but I spend less than 1000 month on "anyway" money a month and have a profitable business. The best thing of all if that I've shown people how to the same thing. People who aren't self made millionaires. All you have to do is stop complaining and get off the sofa and do the work. I rather get out of debt than start in debt. People should be more open minded and stop listening to negative people. Besides, why listen to someone that is broke. Would anyone listen to this person thats upset and very negative or to Bill Gates. Check it out for yourselves. Have a good day.

At 4/27/2007 09:09:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let me start by saying that any bad decisions, every bad move and every bad investment is not a trick, it is not a scam, and it is not a failure unless you see it that way. You made the decision and you also let other people influence your thoughts.Try viewing it as a life experience, and instead of looking at as a mistake, look at it as an opportunity because I hope you learned something from it. What is done is done and it is up to you to learn from it and let go, or be upset which means agreeing with them.

At 11/12/2007 01:59:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well unless you were so FIRED UP I dont know why you would spend so much money.

STO at least for me is 4 cds a week and one book of the month= $38. I like to get educated so this is not a problem.

$24 opens ok that is right.

Don't know what you mean by 6 trips to US, but I really don't think that you had to.

I really don't understand why you did 300pv because you don't need to. And if you did you were probably either selling at least something or really liked the product.

Shipment cant say anything on that.

Fuel is really expensive these days but I don't have a car and my business seems to be fine.

Kate is definetly optional even though its part of the 9 core steps.

$10 website is not even in the 9 core steps.

I mean when you got into vending machines you got into selling. So I do not know why you couldn't sell anything. With veding machines you had to start up with $30,000 that from my understanding you really didn't make that back. Quixtar allows someone with no big start up capital to own a business. When getting into business you are getting into selling. I mean give me one business that does not sell and somehow makes money. I guess unless people are donating money.

Really the main point I want to get out to all of you who are against Quixtar is this:

There are many people involved with this organization. I understand that many leaders do different kinds of things with their groups which Quixtar has no control over. People will get frustrated and then blame Quixtar for their failures. It is not the company because they cannot watch over all the open meetings and there are some big functions that the leaders start and Quixtar has no control over that.

From what I have read and researched there are leaders that give their groups another name and don't even mention about Quixtar, and if they do they say that it is just a supplier.

There are leaders that emphesize on books, cds, seminars, and dont say anything about product.

There are leaders that change the way they think is the best way to build a business which leaves the one at the bottom to fail.

It is because of leaders and other people in this buisness that work this way, that people blame the company. And that is why they have a bad name.

People fail because they get into a business where they think that they will make money instantly. I mean there are people who think that this is a get-rich-quick scheme and then there are people who get in and think that they will get rich quick. This business is not intended to get you rich in the next 24hrs from the time you sign-up.

Sometimes you will need to make investments, but which business doesn't.

I never knew that there were many who have tried and have spent a lot of money and never made it anywhere until I looked online. I am very happy that I am not part of those teams. When I firts got introduced I thought that this was the way every group was treated and trained. But from the net I understand otherwise.

I happen to be part of a great team. Do they tell us that we need to go to meeting, functions, and other seminars? Yes, they do, but not necessarily all of them. Do they tell us how important it is to buy cds and books? Yes and personally I don't think that it is much of an investment. SO yea they do give us some emphesis on these things, but how can you have a successful business if you cannot sell? They train us on products and how to sell. Uplines help thier downlines to get a few customers and it gets easier the more you practice. This more than just covers my weekly expenses for this buisness.

Look that is the reality, you MUST sell. Unless you are some amazing recruiter who can build a decent organization very fast where then your products are free. If you do not like to sell, then don't get into business. Go into book keeping or something, become a teacher, a policeman. They all have different jobs, business people sell.

At 2/08/2008 02:54:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

dude, I totally agree with you, quixtar is a huge scam.I hate quixtar.

At 3/14/2008 11:49:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And that is just it everyone, although this may eventually work for the 1% of those that try on the backs of 99% continually chasing that carrot and failing, new people are always needed for this borderline legal and unethical scam to thrive. The factual numbers are out there and it does not look good. The Republican party behind all this, with proof to boot?, no wonder it is still in existance with the Amway starters greasing the pockets of the conservative Christians to stay alive. Cult like to me...Everyone involved and succeeding claims their upline is not like that, and that there are those that mislead like any see this is the problem, It does not happen at this scale in the real world and with the company doing nothing about it. If these people are involved in your business, with no backround check and anyone can join...see the problem?, then that hurts your reputation and why you get many slammed doors in your face. The consumable products are not competatively priced, but you are expected to buy everything from them as this is just a smokescreen for where they want you to poor your money in most(books, cd's, tools etc.) only 20% of outside clients purchase from Quixtar, sorry, I'll take a different, more honorable road to success thanks, all as a proud working man.

At 3/14/2008 10:18:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am an IT security employee for a major international security company in N.Y. when I was informed of a great business oportunity with the potential to make tons of money by a clerk at our in-building eatery. Good kid, makes my lunch most days and we kid around a lot.

Anyway, me thinking it was IT related as one would believe after I was first asked what I did in the company, he asked for my number and gave me the number of this guy and advised to call him, "he does what I do". After 2 weeks of me just to busy to call, this kid advised this guy would come down and talk to me later in the week.

The day comes and at lunch, we talk and of course what they do is briefly touched on and the company name is never mentioned. Aleady feelin it is not what I expected, I am asked to attend a meeting at a local hotel the next night. Well the energy drinks are passed out and I am seated in the front row. of course I am asked questions on my job and marital status, kids etc. (dreambuilding of course)but I am nothing but skeptical as circles are drawn on a board, and franchise analogies are made etc etc, never ant clear indication of what to actually do and how to get there. Just the visions of expensive material items constantly mentioned. School is fo losers and we need to stop thinking education ='s success.

At the end of this meeting, I am feeling the dazed brainwashed trans like feeling many talk about. I tell them all I am not intrested, and I thought it was a different opportunity, more in the line of what I do. As I walk out, and after our cult meeting with loud cheering begins in backround....very cult like with some scary looking people although dressed nice.

In conclusion, a complete waste of my time by never explaining outwright what they do. And after reading up on this for several hours now, not very uncommon to the experience of others, actually almost identical...scary. The whole concept is very deceiving and you start off very skeptical and with a bad taste in your mouth (not the XS drink either)I can see how many of you that are miserable and desperate for money can be taken by this crap, but as a New Yorker, this garbage just didn't stick, to many questions left unanswered and still no clear guideline on what they do. (I thank my hard working Italian parents for instilling skepticism with anythng that sounds to good in my upbringing)

Don't worry, I found out for myself here on the web from both sides at first, but mainly from the stories similar to mine because I could relate to what they did from approach to the whole meeting, word for word. Some pretty scary stuff I am reading with the links to the republican party, and the actual stats of what IBO's and diamonds and whatever else they call themselves make in income. The brainwashing and cult like meetings, bringing religion into it....scary stuff I must say

At 3/15/2008 06:03:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To add to my post above.........

I really feel sorry for this kid, he keeps mentioning how he has 9 (suckers) underneath him and how he won't have to work anymore in a few months, how his upline is a great guy (and he may be for all I know) sad if he actually is that far gone. These people prey on the young, the deperate, and take advantage of hard financial times to push there so called dream. He is constantly attending meetings, and is headed to a big rally in Albany where this such and such guy will be speaking (as if he were someone famous)could care less if it was our wonderful president, but I am sure these people would make the ultimate sacrafice for that seminar.

Seems like there is a big push to raise more money for the Republican party considering I have been approached twice in the last few months by these clowns.

I was told by this Upline in a follow up call to not believe everything I read on the internet without even mentioning I was getting information on the internet as any wise person would do before taking the plunge into something so shady. So I am to just believe what he says, and take a strangers word for it?...ya right. Beware of anyone at the book store, or any place where people come in mass, that approaches you and starts asking personal questions followed by "I have a great business opportunity for you"...just keep walking and don't give them a minute of your precious time, wasted 3 hours of mine, but thank god that was all......follow your gut's the voice of reason.

At 4/02/2008 10:21:00 AM, Anonymous Bradford said...

I can not believe some of these people posing as christians and incorrectly quoting the bible. You reap what you sow is exactly correct. But you fail to see the bigger meaning. I have been researching this the past week and focusing much of my time and efforts into this.

During the early part of 1997, Albanians were experiencing their first fruits of democracy. The people had not been exposed to many business practices, either legitimate or fraudulent, because of the Communist regime. When some devious individuals introduced a pyramid program to Albania, hundreds of thousands of people participated. When the nation was saturated with this program, the last people in realized that they had nobody to collect money from and the pyramid collapsed. At that point, thousands of the people went on a rampage. Anarchy broke out and a civil war began. To this day, the nation has not regained its stability. The people were naïve and somehow felt that they could get rich without really working, simply by investing in a devious pyramid scheme.

People should know better, but unfortunately there are many gullible people in the world. Most pyramid schemes are run by people who do not care about the other participants. They know that a great majority of them will lose money, but since their motivation is greed, that doesn't stop them.

There are ethical and scriptural reasons why Christians should not participate in pyramid schemes:

1. Many are illegal. The operators of the schemes will often tell people that they are legal. They will also fight charges in court to delay the legal process from shutting them down, because the longer they keep going, the more money they make.

2. The Bible says “Be not deceived, God is not mocked, whatsoever a man sows, that he shall also reap.” (Galatians 6:7). If you sow your time, energy or money into a program that ultimately causes financial loss, suffering and confusion to others, even if you made money temporarily, you will ultimately reap suffering, confusion and financial loss as a result.

3. Jesus said, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” (Matthew 7:12). We would not want anyone to get us involved in any endeavor, which would cause us financial loss. Therefore, as believers, we should not entice other people into a pyramid program which may cause them to experience financial loss. Is it really worth destroying relationships with people you know and love for money?

4. Proverbs 22:1 says, “A good name is better than great riches.” If you participate in a unethical pyramid program, you are damaging your good name. People will begin to mistrust your motives. They will see you as a person who's willing to take advantage of them in order to bring profit to yourself.

5. The love of money motivates people to care more about self-interests than their neighbors or brothers. All pyramid programs will end up burning more people than they help. The basic mathematics of these programs necessitates that there will be many times more people losing than gaining money. That great majority of people will feel hurt, used, and abused. They will be disappointed and lose trust in anyone who got them involved in these programs. “The love of money is the root of all sorts of evil.” (1 Timothy 6:10). As Christians, we should be promoting righteousness, peace, and joy. Our relationships should be built on love and trust.

6. The Bible says, “You must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.” (1 Corinthians 5:11). Swindlers take advantage of other people's weaknesses to make money for themselves. Greedy people are motivated by a desire for personal gain at others' expense. Covetousness is a form of idolatry (Colossians 3:5). We should flee such unrighteousness.

7. “Those who do not work should not eat.” (2 Thessalonians 3:10). The desire to make money without working for it is an unrighteous desire. God uses work to build and shape our character. He delights in providing for those who put His Kingdom and His Righteousness first. Some people talk about using wealth that they are going to gain from pyramid schemes or gambling to promote God's Kingdom. God's Kingdom is not promoted by unrighteousness. It is promoted through the loving sacrifice of those who are obedient to the Lord Jesus Christ.

Why is it that some Christians lack significant spiritual responsibility? One reason can be found in Luke 16:11 where Jesus said, “If you are not trustworthy in the use of unrighteous mammon, who will trust you with the true riches?” The way we handle our money is something God uses to determine whether He will trust us with the true riches of His Kingdom, which includes caring for His people and the release of spiritual gifts in our lives.

I urge you to flee from any unrighteous business dealings, unethical or illegal pyramid programs, gambling, or activities that are promoted by greed. God's work is promoted most fruitfully by people who learn to love and give wisely, from an obedient, cheerful heart. If you keep God's Word, you will grow in the knowledge of Him and prosper in your soul. If you seek His Kingdom first and His Righteousness, He promises that you will always have enough of everything you need to enjoy this life. We only have one life to live; let's live it God's way!

The basic mathematics of these programs necessitates that there will be many times more people losing than gaining money. He who separates himself seeks his own desire; he quarrels against all sound wisdom. Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Summation of the ethical and Scriptural reasons to avoid unethical or illegal pyramid schemes:

1. They are illegal or at best, unethical
2. You reap what you sow.
3. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
4. A good name is better than riches.
5. The love of money is the root of all sorts of evil.
6. You must not associate with...[the] greedy, or a swindler.
7. Those who do not work should not eat.

At 4/09/2008 07:41:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a love / hate relationship with Quixtar/Amway. We were in it  from 1991-2002ish and not sitting in the sidelines watching it happen.
We attended every function, I even went to a function 2 days after I had a baby!  That is how into it we were. 
Well I’m here to tell you WE REALLY BELIEVED and we did not succeed.  We worked our backsides off for 11 years and never made it higher than 4000. I get upset with myself for not thinking clearly about the whole process. I hate thinking I was so naïve and followed blindly the instructions given to me on the tapes. My upline was also under the same delusions and we believed it wholeheartedly, they weren’t trying to deceive.  
Am I an idiot or loser because I didn’t succeed financially with Quixtar. NO…and this is why.
After moving on (I never had a quitting point… I just kind of faded out) I started my own business (web related) and made a
6 figure income after only a couple years. So obviously I had something, some kind of success mentality that allowed me to create this type of income.
A financial failure I am not.  I now have all the things the business promised, except through a different venture.

Is that wrong? NO Now, would I tell you that ANYONE can do what I have done if they just believed and learned everything I know? NO. 
Why? because some things take skills that you may not be blessed with, even if you learn how to do them, you may never be able to do them well or it's not your gift.

As I once heard from Zig Ziglar, we can’t all be professional basketball players because we weren’t born with what it takes. I’m only 5’ something…and this statement made perfect sense to me.  It is the same with Quixtar/Amway. You really may not have the right gift for this type of venture, but they have to tell everyone they can. So basically someone will lie to your face that you can do it, if you believe and really try's just not true.
Do the math, we weren’t all born to stand up there and lead a group of people.
If what I’ve said only made you more determined to succeed and you think I’m just another one of those negative thinkers
(which quite honestly I’m not…just wiser with my feet on the ground). Here is my first aid kit (reality check)to help you through:
1. You will never get to “take your life off first class” and retire.This business relies on other people to spend…alot.
If they don’t spend you don’t earn. That is the bottomline. People are not constant; you will need to replace the old with new…all the time…this never ends.

2. Don’t get sucked in emotionally, this was our mistake.  No matter what you hear or who you get close to you, you must ALWAYS think of it as a real business.
Weigh it the same way, is this a good investment? Do I really need this? Am I being superstitious about not buying tapes or going to a function? 
IT WILL NOT SET YOUR BUSINESS BACK 6 MONTHS IF YOU MISS A FUNCTION. We never missed one in 11 years…how much more information did we need!

3. You may have fun! But realize that is what you are in it for and don't expect to make money from that alone.
We had the best time in the business with the people, more positive attitudes than you will find in church (even to this day I enjoyed the time I spent).
This emotional attachment to the process caused us to make foolish choices with our money. “We have to stay on the tape program even though we have nothing
in our ‘fridge…if we don’t learn we won’t succeed” “Let’s go the extra mile, it will be great for our Diamond story”. Crap.

4. Be logical about the time you spend away from your family to build a “successful business”. Family comes before business, even if your war cry is “you are doing it so you can be home with them”, no function is more important than your family! Start being home with them now, time waits for no one.
Don’t miss weddings or birthdays or anniversaries for the sake of a function, it’s not helping your ultimate goal of your family.  I have a friend who spent so much time building the business, the children grew up without her. Very sad, and very true.  

5. Don’t video tape your kids saying stupid things like “Go Diamond” and other business lingo…if you decide not to continue in the future (which most people do as the numbers prove) these cute pictures of your children will be wasted and you’ll have to explain what the dumb little saying means. It will not be a warm memory. Even if you do succeed, don’t be thinking the kids will enjoy it in your Diamond video.

6.Don’t feel like a failure if you find the business is not for you. We can’t all be rocket scientists and we definitely won’t all
be “diamonds someday”.  If the numbers don’t work out, the numbers don’t work out. Decide how much you are going to invest and have a goal in mind. If things don’t work out decide how many times you are planning to reset a goal. If you keep doing the same thing over and over, you’ll get the same result. This statement works both ways. In or Out of the business.

DIAMONDS have quit the business!  Logical business question. If the money was so good, why in their right mind would a diamond quit the business?

At 4/11/2008 01:45:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Basically what the Quixtar and Amway topic(s) boil down to is ford or chevy, black or white, to be or not to be. It's not really a right or wrong topic.

I would like to share with you my personal IBO story. I was an IBO for 3 years. You don't have to buy the books, cds, etc. But it is highly recommended, so I wanted to retire young so I did as my upline told me. After my 22nd month I turned my first profit taking into account gas, lodging, meals, books, cds, etc. My profit was $13.61. That was great! Finally I'm making money. Every month after that I made about the same. I had to decide whether my efforts and time was worth $13 a month. It's not. It's worth far more and I decided $13 wasn't near enough so I gracefully bowed out of "the business." Out of all of the people I was "friends" with while a member of the "business" community, how many do you think remained my friend after I was no longer part of the click. One, my cousin. One person out of the hundreds of people I hung out with.

Well not letting Quixtar get me down I decided to start a small business for myself. Basically what I did was I cleaned a medical office two days a week, two hours per each of those days. That paid $1100/month. This allowed me to payoff a lot of debit and save to put myself back into college. I had already had an associates degree in computer aided drafting, but wanted something more. So I went back to school for electrical engineering.

I worked in the engineering field for a couple of years and found myself at a conference and at this conference I got into a huge debate with another engineer and proved him wrong on a theroy of his. Two weeks later he called me a position as co-vice-president of his company in New York. The job requires me work only three days a week. The only draw back is the 2 hour commute one way, but the $235,000 a year makes up for it. I'm very greatful I got this change and understand not everyone will get a chance like this. But you never know.

Now when approched by someone who wants to get me into the business I just chuckle and say, "no thank you. They're other ways of setting yourself for life." The last guy who approched me was about a month ago and it was in a Wal-Mart and I was out of town for business. I was buying a belt that I forgot to pack. I nicely said to the guy I wasn't interested and explained to him how I got to where I'm at. He gave me a little bit of an attitude. The only response I could give was, "your the one standing in wal-mart trying to recruit people you don't know so you can make money off of them." I make money off of solving real life problems, not others.

On another cousin makes $2200 per month off of Quixtar. He's not married, he doesn't own a house, he drives an older car, no kids, and no insurance. This is his only job and it works great for him.

It all boils down to:
1.) What do you want?
2.) What are you willing to do to get it?
3.) What are you willing to settle for?

Not having to worry as much about money makes you feel as if your a little more free, but it doesn't solve all your problems. Money can't buy your health and it can't buy your family's health.

Set your goal and go get it just don't hurt or screw up anyone else's life doing it.

Thanks for reading, Chris

At 4/28/2009 07:06:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

First off, for those of you who say "we don't pay to work", in reality you do. It's called taxes, and 99% of the time if you're not in a job where you don't have a ceiling on your income based on commissions, then you're pretty much a slave to your company. Why don't you ask your boss for a raise, and the next 6 months off while still receiving pay checks as well as all your medical records. By the way, what do you think we are paying for in Social Security, do you honestly think we are really getting that back? Check with your corporate accountants and find out legally how much at this point in your life you would be receiving in SSI payments. The answer would truly blow your mind especially if you're already 35+. Here's what I've learned owning multiple companies in my 20's. There is such a thing as residual income. If you think some basic tools for your business to grow, let's say something like $115 fixed cost on info systems and websites, are expensive and overly priced as "overhead cost", then you need come to the realization that you yourself as an employee for whatever company you work for is an expense/overhead for the company. I hate the thought of being expendable under someone else's control that's exactly what you are. Job security? You've got to be kidding me. If you're a laborer and lose your legs walking down the street, will your job say, hey let me help you and keep paying you even though you can't work anymore? But wait, there's always disability (a joke from experience), social security (practically non-existent), and should I dare mention 401k plans? Most of the bloggers on this site who are "negative" have probably felt the ill effects of a down turned economy not just in their pensions and retirement plans, but possibly even a loss of employment. I'll be honest, if it was not for me building this business over the last 3 months allowed me to close one of my businesses and its stresses! This business isn't for everyone. If it is, great! If it's not, great! I honestly haven't encountered anyone with a negative aspect on the products themselves. The funny part is, some of my newest IBO teammates' parent's have been wondering how to get ahold of some of the products we offer over the last 5 years. Kudos to anyone with a dream. If you don't succeed in this business, I hope you succeed anywhere you go. Just have the same courtesy to take a look at your job and analyze it the same way. I was an executive at bank of america for many years, I couldn't tell you more how corporate america is a bigger scam any economy has ever produced.

At 4/30/2009 05:02:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm really confused with alot of these sites. Everyone here is talking about how quixtar is a scam, but I know more people who are graduating from Ivy League schools 100k plus in debt beyond their eyeballs hoping to land a job making 50-60 grand a year in this economy? I'm not an IBO yet but truly to understand the concept of scamming, we really have to look at the reality that our young college generation faces. Most college kids are bred to go to school, get some rediculous school loan (investment), get a degree (all levels), and suddenly make 150k a year? If I were to make my choice in attending a overly priced education of a university anywhere, I'd probably want to shoot myself for wasting 4-8 years of my life. I started off in the microsoft corporation at the age of 19, then within 4 years started netting 103k a year. 5 years later, I was introduced to the quixtar plan we see today. In my opinion, 2-5 year investment, and the key word investment here, to make 200k plus? What's there not to think about? I know I'll never make as much as Bill Gates no matter how hard I'd try. Also to find out the business itself will be willable to my family, that truly astounded me. I can't will my current position to my family. Can you will your education to your family as well as the bills that come along with it? There are so many young minds being scammed by our so-called, go to school and get a good job when you graduate. If anything, that mentality is hurting our economy. I'm honestly glad we have nay-sayers in the economy to this business. It's going to allow me to hire people to do my future ventures. One day I'll own one of you or one of your family member's as an employee, err I mean gladfully employ someone here as a great asset. What do you do for a living negative folks, because in my experience whatever field your in or whatever school you went to, it probably means it was scam. The logic works both ways. Ehh, go figure.

At 4/30/2009 05:06:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know that very few people walk the beaches, but how come we don't have more CEO's and multi-million dollar clerks? There's always, in any business or any line of work, that small percentage of success. From pro atheletes, to financial guru's. It's like saying my friend became a Fry Cook at McDonald's but never owned one, geeze what a scam. Better yet, my friend went to USC or UCLA and cheated on a test, those school's are filled with future felons. Does that clear things up a bit?

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