Friday, November 12, 2004

If not Quixtar then what?

So, you have seen "the plan" and liked some things. You don't know if many things said there are true but you believe them anyway. The person who invited you was very nice and friendly, so were the folks in the meeting.

Now, you are doing some search on the internet and learning a lot of bad stuff about Quixtar. On the other hand, you really want some side business? So the question is, if not Quixtar, than what?

Answer: Shop around. There are many opportunities. Admittedly, some are downright fraud. But there are some good one too. Here is a quote from mlmblog's Ty in QuixtarBlog Forum:
I am an advocate of the MLM Model of business. However I am not an advocate of the buy from yourself and rape your downline out of money by selling them nonsense tools and website access.

- Standard price for a training CD in Network Marketing is around $2/ea, in TOD they are $6.00.

- MANY companies offer their associates free websites, in TOD they don't give you a website, and they charge you to access theirs.

- MANY companies and teams within companies offer conference calls that allow folks to build their business from home, in TOD they charge you to come to their weekly meetings, weekend seminars, and major functions.

I have to agree with you on one point. In the interest of fairness, lumping TOD/TEAM/Quixtar in with other MLM is not fair. However the truth of the matter is that it is not fair to the other MLM's. Some do operate a lot like Quixtar, but I find the majority these days do not.
*TOD is almost same as BWW, WWDB, or any other 'System' you were invited to. In internet it is referred as Amway Quixtar Motivational Organizations or AQMOs.

There might be some twisted facts in the plan, e.g. 90% businesses fail in first 5 years etc. Simply put, this statement is not true. Research it, don't accept it, or any thing as it is.

Also, a fellow member of the same forum, perfecto, answered many questions of mine in 15 minutes which no one was able to answer in my whole 10 months in Quixtar. My question was, how to prospect and teach your downline to do so? He explained that and told he practically teaches this to his new associate (IBO). As listed somewhere in the forum, his cheque from one transaction shut up many Quixtar IBOs.

Above are the two MLM folks who I think know their shit. As a professional, I like pros who know what are they doing instead of being a sheep and teaching others to do so. And no, MLM is NOT Franchising. Research it as well. Who are the McDonalds customers? franchise owners, employees or real customers.

Not every thing Quixtar related sucks. Some products are not bad. MLM means selling, else you better not be in if you don't want to sell. So you think you might be able to sell some of Quixtar products, but not comfortable with all the tapes, seminars, meetings after meting after meetings, try these IBOs. They are building Quixtar ethically (no tools, product focused).

On The Road with Dave
Marc Your Friendly Amway/Quixtar Distributor

Also, check out the average IBO income from Quixtar and think 10 times before signing the BSMAA which you *might* have to when you sign up as an IBO. Signing up BSMAA is just not the matter of $300+, you are giving up some of your rights.

Good luck!

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Don't let the self righteous enslave you


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3 Comments:

At 11/17/2004 06:05:00 AM, Blogger futurecrown said...

Mo, you are comparing apples an oranges. You did not mention the names of the opportunities, just a couple of distributors. What companies do Ty and Perfecto represent?

On top of that, what results do you have that show a better chance of success with these other opportunities? I am an IBO affiliated with Quixtar, and the "system" helps me more than without it. So while I have respect for "On the Road with Dave" for building the biz without tools, why is it that someone like me who chooses to get "training" to build my business is looked down on by you and others?

Why would it matter if another MLM sells tapes for $2 if they are not resulting in better success than $6 tapes? Without success rates or better numbers, or other comparable success figures from other network marketing companies, your argument doesn't stand up.

The "system" that many Quixtar IBO's use is a system of training & motivation to help them build their businesses. I have personally seen that IBO's who use the system have much better success rates than those that don't. The training materials are also optional.

The success rate mentioned in some plans is actually that 95% of small businesses fail in their first 5 years. I checked up on that statistic and found it to be true. The Small Business Administration is where the quote came from.

This quote is also used by most professionals in the USA in many different industries. I have heard it repeated dozens of times from many successful people outside of Quixtar. You are WRONG for telling people that fact is twisted and not to accept it. Can you prove that the SBA did not say it?

I have respect for the networking marketing industry, and I applaud anybody involved and encourage success in what they do. I just do not like the idea of tearing down one company to promote another in the same industry.

I let prospects know that if there are things they don't like about Quixtar, that there are many other similar companies they might want to look at. So I appreciate this post, but I did not appreciate you needing to beat up one company to promote another.

 
At 11/17/2004 10:41:00 AM, Blogger Loser said...

Future Crown wrote: The success rate mentioned in some plans is actually that 95% of small businesses fail in their first 5 years. I checked up on that statistic and found it to be true. The Small Business Administration is where the quote came from.

This quote is also used by most professionals in the USA in many different industries. I have heard it repeated dozens of times from many successful people outside of Quixtar. You are WRONG for telling people that fact is twisted and not to accept it. Can you prove that the SBA did not say it?
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- I did give SBA success rate link in my post. It’s in lawblawg that I linked. You need to pay attention. Here it is more clearly: http://www.sba.gov/advo/stats/bh_sbe03.pdf
And
http://tinyurl.com/3rype

So it IS a lie. SBA itself admits it's a myth. Check above links.

- Click on Ty name and you see the company he is working for, Perfecto is in WFG. Here: http://tinyurl.com/6zame
I'm not affiliated with any of them, nor I will be. It is just heart breaking so much people are losing time, money and talent in Quixtar. They rather be in something else where they are taught business instead of Christianity. And of course, where their losses are less if they do not make a profit.

- System: I have personally seen IBOs losing a lot of money on the "system". System is optional then why it is pushed big time? On paper it looks good, yeah it’s optional. But practically, is it? I have seen my upline doing whatever they can to sell tapes and seminars. Emotions, push, love, anger, EVERY thing. Heard about Theft by Deception? Beside, where is the success rate? According to 2-5 year diamond plan, shouldn't we have hundreds of thousands of diamonds in North America? Where are they? To me System is a huge failure. Not only that, it cost IBOs lots of time and money.

- I'm NOT promoting any other company, as I'm not in any. My only concern is a lot of hardworking people waste their talent and money in Quixtar, something that rely on failure of many to create few success examples. Other companies may not have a "success rate" but losses of average person is real low. Beside, those two dudes do business, they don't teach other crap like submission to upline or quixtianity etc.

- Please check out the FTC Rule: 70% retail to clients / members, that does NOT include self consumption by EVERY IBO. Is that observed? If not, than its pyramid selling.

 
At 11/19/2004 10:08:00 PM, Blogger Perfecto said...

Thanks, MO. I'm glad I have answered your question. No, I'm no pro. I still have a lot to learn about building a team and about duplicating oneself. For instance, none of my team is duplicating me yet -- e.g., doing this full-time. For instance, I still have my bad habits -- e.g., spending too much time on the computer.

 

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