Monday, November 12, 2007

What do you feel?

Hey normal public: How do you feel when some one try to get you join amway? You feel excited, turned off, pissed or awkward?

What was your answer? If it was yes, are you still an IBO? If it was no, how much time it took to get rid of that IBO?

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67 Comments:

At 11/13/2007 09:23:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I feel awesome when someone tries to share the concept with me. No one has forced me to join. I chose to. Now, I feel excited!
Yes, I became an IBO and I intend to become a success based on my own terms.
And you Sir, are normal too. However, you chose to call your self "loser" and thus, became "loser" for real. If that's your real choice, I stop here. It was nice meeting you.

 
At 11/16/2007 02:23:00 PM, Anonymous Gina said...

Believe it or not, before all the problems arose with my company and Q*, I was approched. I felt like I had wandered of path and landed in the middle of a used car lot!! I even grabbed my purse and held it closer to me. I was with my baby girl at the time, so maybe it was just a powerful blast of that motherly instinct, but I even put my hands on her. There was just something off about someone coming up to me in a grocery store, not knowing me from Adam, talking to me about a "business opportunity" Maybe its because I come from a large city and we are taught that things like that are most likely scams. Either way, I felt there was something wrong.

 
At 11/16/2007 05:14:00 PM, Blogger David said...

My sophmore year of college Quixtar came in like the flu and unfortunately some of my friends got it pretty bad. People who I thought were intelligent proved to me that they certainly weren't clever. I won't mention the school because frankly I'm embarrassed. I couldn't see this happening at Harvard or Yale.

It all started with one guy who came back from summer vacation with stories of hope and retirement and a lot of other bullshit that convinced enough people to buy worthless crap. I remember walking into friends' rooms and seeing huge stacks of q-tips and energy drinks. "Things you'd buy anway" I was always told. My favorite purchases had to be all the dental products that were not approved by the American Dental Association.

Anyway, some close friends and I were able to convince a few guys that studying and working hard would undoubtedly bring them more money than Quixtar. IBOs are unpaid salesman with shitty products.

We even put up flyers explaining how money doesn't appear out of thin air and energy drinks from the internet won't lead to an early retirement. Still, many weren't so convinced. These followers would tell idiotic stories about nameless people who didn't have money when it came time to retire, or had lost all their dough in the stock market. There were positive stories too. These stories came from the retarded meetings that would be held to recruit more dummies. The stories usually involved using the word "retire." Not as in I'll retire, or you'll retire, more like "this time next year I'll retire my mom," or "my mentor retired his whole family." All very strange and questionable.

One friend of mine was actually having his school paid for by the Marine Corps in exchange for service. Since he had opened his mind like a garbage can and let Quixtar in he once commented that his time as a Marin Corps Lietinant will be getting in the way of his Quixtar career. To this day I'm still amazed that qtips and energy drinks on the net can be sold so convincingly to people.

So to make a long story not so long; by the time junior year came around not a single person was still doing Quixtar. Even the ingrate that had brought it to our school had to take time off to resolve some financial issues. I guess selling hope and energy drinks didn't quite work out. After the quixtar fallout, no one really wanted to talk about it, it was truly embarrassing for all involved.

So to every IBO reading this, take my advice and just get out, get out now. You're selling hope and lies to yourself and those below you. You didn't need those "products" before you joined and you still don't need them now. Even if you are a "succesful" IBO, all you've done is make money by taking advantage of people; you are scam artist and should be ashamed.

Death to Quixtar.

 
At 11/19/2007 12:27:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey David,

I have been reading your comments and I will focus on the following:

"Even if you are a "succesful" IBO, all you've done is make money by taking advantage of people;"

Really? So, I guess that it did not occur to you that stores make money off of you or if it did then, you think nothing is wrong with that! Yet, you happily throw money away at them! Hmmm, I challenge you tomorrow to go outside Walmart and stop people going because now, knowing the revelation of truth, "Walmart makes money off of them"!
On the other hand there is something wrong to be an IBO in a legal business because right now it occures to you that IBOs make money off of their clients. Hmmm, you are a daily client in the neighborhood stores.

As for the rest of your comments, you truly are a sad, low life with no dreams but put on stealing other people's dreams because your low self image can't sustain itself without poisoning people with dreams and goals.

So what if it's not for you, say "thank you it is not for me!" and forget it! Don't go around and start to complain, whine and steal people's hopes and dreams!

 
At 11/19/2007 05:27:00 PM, Anonymous mike said...

I think I will field this one. I know you are talking to David, however, since you are being anonymous, which seems to be a trait among Amway distributor, not give out their name, or at least a screenname.

You took David's quote.
"Even if you are a "succesful" IBO, all you've done is make money by taking advantage of people"

And went off on a tear about Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart does in fact take money from the customers, it is call doing business, however Wal-Mart does not require me to pay more for what I get, nor do they tell me how much I have to buy, to make any savings. Buy 50PV worth of product and tell me what your "bonus" will be.

Here is an intresting thing about Wal-Mart, next time you go, take the ads from all the other stores in the area. If you can find the same item at Wal-Mart, that cost more than in any the ad. Show the ad to the cashier and they will sell it to you at a lower price, if may just be a few cents, but it will be sold cheaper.

As far as hopes and dreams, most of the dreams that are being sold by upline, are illusions at best. Most upline want their downline to be dreaming...and not focused on reality.

 
At 11/19/2007 10:29:00 PM, Blogger David said...

Mike I wanna thank you for trying to put some things in perspective to our anonymous friend.

And to him and anyone else out there that thinks I'm trying to "poison hopes and dreams." I'm honestly not out to do that.

However, I truly feel sad for you guys, just like I was really sad for my friends. Really dude, or whoever you are... You are seriously going to lose money and dignity if you continue to follow these dreams. I'd love to hear from you in a couple of years to hear how things turned out.

Peace.

 
At 11/21/2007 02:48:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

David, you really sound so self righteous and that's understandable.

As a man thinks in his heart, so is he. - Proverbs 23:7

 
At 11/24/2007 07:01:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've been hit up by the Quixstar folks more times than I care to count.I am a magnet for these folks. The most notable was when I was working with a Spa/Hot Tub Company and this young successful looking couple walked in and started asking about Spas. I proceeded to go over the units we sold and would break into small talk about our personal lives. They seemed like a wonderful couple, we had a great deal in common. I really wanted to help them into a new spa. To be upfront, I'm not a sales shark. I don't apply pressure with my sales and I do quite well with it. We continued to talk about spas and other things for about two hours. As our discussion was winding down the Husband told me how good I am with people and how well I am with sales and sait he'd like to have someone like me working in his company. When I asked him about his company he simply reaced into his pocked and pulled out a card. It was one of those CD-ROM type cards and it said Quixtar right on it. As soon as I saw it, I was crushed. I had been duped and two hours of my time wasted. They were not there to by a spa. They were looking for recruits. I thought I was building a good relationship with a young couple who were looking to buy their first spa. I refused the CD-ROM explaining to the couple that I was aware of Quixtar and there was no way they could convince me to join and to save the card for someone more interested. I was careful not to offend them or badmouth Quixtar. Then the guy has the nerve to say "We gave you 2 hours of our time you can at least hear us out for 5 minutes." I laughed and tried to send them on their way when he became irate wanting to speak to a manager. Knowing full well the owners desk was in earshot of our discussion I waved over to him to come over and bail me out. The guy tried to tell my boss that I offended his wife with a lewd comment and ridiculed his choice of profession. My boss simply replied "I heard the entire conversation and heard nothing of the sort." The man started yelling obscenities and such and his wife began to cry. My boss threatened to call the police unless he left the store. He promptly left. This was probably about 2 years ago. He seemed to be at wits end with Quixstar and could get anyone to join up with him. Sadly, I think his wife really though they were there to buy a spa.

How does that make me feel? Cheated. Though not cheated out of a sale. Cheated out of a relationship I though I was building. Before that Quixtar card came out I would have invited this couple to Thanksgiving dinner. Every interaction I've ever had with a Quixstar Rep ended in me feeling cheated out of what I thought to be a potential friendship or a simple quality human interaction instead it turned into a disappointment and I had to battle my way out of the conversation.

 
At 11/25/2007 04:16:00 AM, Anonymous Mike said...

"How does that make me feel? Cheated. Though not cheated out of a sale. Cheated out of a relationship I though I was building."

That is one of the lies presented by those in the business, they will be your friend, and talk about having this wonderful relationship, but they fail to say...as long as you are in the business.

One of the things said at IBO meeting, was to be prepared for the holidays with your family, cause they don't understand the business.

My family thought I was stupid to join Amway, but they still were my family, When I left Amway, my family was still there. Those in the business, I have not heard from that once.

They love ya if you in, disown ya when your out.

 
At 11/25/2007 09:09:00 PM, Blogger David said...

Two similar incidences have happened to me since I've been out of college (though I'm only 3 years out, so I'm sure I'll have more in the future).

You know, the bottom line is these folks are losers. Pathetic cult-joining dimwitted dummies. What other business method or job involves tricking your wife into thinking she might get a spa and causing a scene when an employed salesman blows off some jerk trying to employ him in a job he may never have heard of.

Losers.

 
At 11/26/2007 12:56:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Again, David, you really sound so self righteous and that's understandable. I have seen how you have replied before, how you have replied to me and how you have replied again like the first time.

As a man thinks in his heart, so is he. - Proverbs 23:7

 
At 12/05/2007 07:07:00 AM, Anonymous racham said...

HELP me get out of this stupid scam! they've been taking money from my bank accout forever. please help me!

 
At 12/05/2007 05:54:00 PM, Anonymous Joecool said...

Racham,

Seek a refund on everything you can and make sure you file a formal complaint with the BBB.

 
At 12/06/2007 10:23:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I already imagine BBB listening and taking seriously guys like racham and Joecool in their sad & funny saga of Quixtar/Amway Scam. Give us a break!

 
At 12/06/2007 01:07:00 PM, Anonymous Joecool said...

Since one of the IBOs common defense is that quixtar has a satisfactory rating from the BBB, then by the same token, peolpe who feel they got gypped should file a complaint.

Not many IBOs complain - mostlikely because they are sponsored by friends and family members.

 
At 12/06/2007 04:09:00 PM, Anonymous Anna28 said...

or most likely cause they feel like an idiot for having been scammed for so long.

 
At 12/14/2007 03:34:00 PM, Anonymous Antipretic said...

First of all I would like to say Thank you and I'm glad i've stumbled on to your site because i've been looking for former IBOs who were a part of quixtar so i can hear their input. I'm currently a starting IBO with quixtar. I am not going to give out my name or a contact just yet for obvious reasons just yet.

However there's a lot of things i feel i dont know and i would like to be enlighthened. If anybody could drop me thier contact info (email) through here i would like to get in contact with you

Secondly I am quite tired right now so forgive me on grammar mistakes because i see from reading many of the previous comments there's a grammar "nazi patrolling the site"

What i want to say in regards to this posting is that the way this whole business was explained to me I'm not sure if anyone else had it explained in the same manner but there's Plan A and Plan B

Plan A is your main plan. For most of us that is just the typical go to school get a degree get a career etc etc you know the standard plan for a financial future what you will be doing for you main source of income for the rest of your life

Plan B is quixtar. Not being your main source of income however a relatively "easy" way to get a few extra bucks by selling thier products.

I've read some of the comments posted on this blog and others you wrote and it seemed like many people (former ibos and current ibos alike) have looked at this business as if this was going to be a plan A.

I personally don't have that view towards this business. I think realistically about this I'm not going to chips into this pile called quixtar unless I damn near have to. I only see this as just as a small source of revenue for me (assuming as if i am just even moderately succesful at it) hell even if i just roll in an extra 500 hundred a month I'll be content

For those who have quit with this i want to ask is this "goal" of mine even worth it?

 
At 12/14/2007 05:00:00 PM, Anonymous Mike said...

Antipretic said "For those who have quit with this i want to ask is this "goal" of mine even worth it?"

I would suggest, that you set your goals before spending any money on anything.

Depending on your upline, you maybe told to either, build a downline, and to do this you will need to be on the system. You may be told that your dream is not big enough, or why waste time building a small business, when you can do more..etc..

You do not need to plug into any system.

Going the route of retail is a possible avenue. However it may be tough to sell most of the products due to the cost.

Bottomline, if you want to make $500.00 a month, get a part time starting around $6.25 per hour. at 20 hours a week.

 
At 12/14/2007 05:20:00 PM, Anonymous Joecool said...

Antipretic,

One thing to note, the most common reason IBOs lose money in the business is due to spending ob business support materials such and seminars books and cassette tapes or cds.

If your only goal is to make a few bucks, I suggest you avoid the support materials. Your upline has an obligation to give you some training on how the business works at no charge.

 
At 12/18/2007 06:25:00 AM, Anonymous Semper Fi said...

I would like to let "David" know, we have upgraded from energy drinks and Q-Tips. I personally don't know what they sold back then. The line of products now are as vast as just about whatever your looking to buy.

The spa scenario, I apologize that you even had to meet those kinds of people spa guy (for a lack of name to call you,I apologize). It was extremely rude and uncalled for. But there are bad apples in every bunch. I'm sure you have worked with people that you would rather not acknowledge.

There are good teams. And not so good teams. People getting hung out to dry has happened. I was one of them the first time I joined. I didn't really have the first clue how anything worked. I was skeptical about trying again. But with a full money back garuntee for the first month and up to 6 months of becoming an IBO you get half your money back, I said: sure why not! I'm glad I did. I have a awesome upline and a great team. And to the new IBO, my email is setfreeliving25@yahoo.com. Any questions that you have that I can't answer, my mentor definitely can.

As far as Wal-Mart and Quixtar, you don't have to buy any particular amount of product regardless who ever told you different. I sell the Xs energy drinks at work like candy. And I sell them by the can if that's all you want to buy. And I offer to give you the first can for free. Which Wal-Mart won't offer you that. And I'm not bad mouthing Wal-Mart. You have to buy something,and nomally get home to find out you don't like it, then return it for a refund. Which your gas money isn't included in the purchase. And if the IBO won't give you a sample, he or she is an Idiot in my opinion. Buisness isn't about making a sale one time, it's about people coming back continuously.

I can't say how other IBO's run their buisness. That's why they are called Independant. They can run it how ever they choose. There are crooked people in the world. In every family,church,buisness, and etc. To include Quixtar. But we're not all crooks. If you get a bad hair cut somewhere, does that mean no one knows how to cut hair? No! You just simply got a bad barber. To the new IBO, if your being hung out to dry by you upline, you might want to find another upline! And your buisness can be as big or small as you want it to. It's YOUR buisness! If your upline isn't happy with the points he's getting because of you, tell him to buy some things on you account and you will both get the points!

As I have stated in a comment on one of the blogs on this site this morning, I'm not here to pick a fight. I haven't seen stories on here so far that I thought: That just couldn't be true. I'm very realistic. I hold a full time job! And try to advance in it. And that won't change until I make enough money through my buisness to quit work! And every sucessful IBO that I know of has had to work a full time job up to a point.Regardless of what whoever said, my family has WORKED their whole lives and have NOTHING to show for it. Other than hoping they make it from retirement check to check.And worked very hard at that. This buisness is an opportunity, not a guaruntee. I'm trying not to be in their shoes. Obviously I'm not rich now but, I know where the money isn't and that's where I'm working. I know what your thinking, get another job or a part time job on top of what your doing. I will take my chances on my own buisness. It's already starting to grow faster than I thought it would.

And I'm not "Scamming" anyone either. Your either interested or your not. I'm fine with either or. I won't beg you to join or buy anything from me. I have shown friends the plan and some weren't interested. That is fine. We are still friends. If you join my team, I would help in any way I can. You becoming successful makes me successful. I nor does any other IBO make a cent by someone joining Quixtar. The only way I make money is through volume going through my team. I'll stop with this last thought. Don't judge the buisness or it's opportunities due to some bad experiences or bad apples involved with the process. Quixtar as a buisness is designed as people pushing volume of product to the website and being compensated for what they accomplish in doing so through bonus scale. Obviously your odds are better achieving the top of the bonus scale and staying there if you have a team. If you can do 7500pv at an average of $2.50 spent a point on your own, you are pretty financially set without Quixtar. But, you will be about $2,500 dollars better off with them.

Anywho, everyone have a great day,stay safe, and God bless all of you is my prayer.

Semper Fi,
Jonathan

 
At 12/18/2007 12:54:00 PM, Anonymous Joecool said...

Jonathan, I live in Hawaii and if I wanted to buy a case of XS from you, how much would it cost, including shipping?

 
At 12/18/2007 03:40:00 PM, Anonymous Semper Fi said...

Joe I sell mine for $2 a can and they come in a case of 12. So, if you decided you want a full case, I would charge you $24 for a case. And this includes shipping. I normally deliver personally, however, you live in Hawaii and I live in Tennessee. So obviously that won't happen. But, in the worst case senario, I would personally take care of the shipping.

By the way Joe, I thought I would let you know that I like the way you voice your opinion. No name calling,slinging mud, and personal attacks. It's very intelligent and mature. And the rudeness has come from both sides. In the event that you have, I haven't seen it.

Take care Joe and may God bless you in every way he can.

Semper Fi,
Jonathan

 
At 12/18/2007 04:25:00 PM, Anonymous Semper Fi said...

Hey Joe, quick question. I want to say I saw this on the "65 either dead or Broke", you said you make about $7,000 (if I misquoted the figure, please forgive me) blogging for a company. Who is it that you work for. And what all does it intel? I wouldn't mind replacing the drama of being a correctional officer with something like that! Any info would be much appreciated.

Thank you for your time Joe.

Semper Fi,
Jonathan

 
At 12/18/2007 07:27:00 PM, Anonymous Anna28 said...

Antipretic...

I was never an IBO, but I am a traditional business owner and the only advice I can give you beyond the excellent advice of JC and Mike is keep an accurate profit and loss sheet. Account for EVERY expense, no matter how small or insugnificant you think it may be or what your upline tells you. Track every mile you put on your car, even if you are told that it is useless because you would drive with or without Q*. Track every penny spent while you are acting in a business manner for Q*. If you see you are not making a profit then evaluate the situation to see what can be changed...don't ignore it. It is normal to be in the red at the start of a business, but with the poper changes you will be able to see improvement that will soon lead to profit. Good luck

 
At 12/18/2007 07:58:00 PM, Blogger rlaurens said...

I'm 100% with Anna on this one.

Also, as you are doing a retail, you have to be able to sell for profit even the very first item that you ever got from Quixtar.

As you know, the critic said that the product is hard to sell, and the proponent claim that it's higher quality so it's worth the money. But what really matter is whether _YOU_ can sell. Not what other people are saying.

So, buy one product, or two and try to sell them for profit. And don't use 'creative' accounting like using personal consumption as 'sales'. :)

And don't fall to any pressure to buy "training" to sell this stuff. Remember, for ordinary retailable products, you might need training to sell 1,000 burgers a day. But you don't need training to sell JUST ONE.

I've also recently opened an online retail business. The items cost $20-$50. I start with just TWO unit. Got the profit of those sales, and start increasing the stock and putting more money (for stock, not for training) after seeing the result. Now, 4 months later, I sold a couple of hundred a week.

Don't let anybody 'spin' the fact that for consumer retail product you have to be able to make profit off the very first sale.

 
At 12/19/2007 01:57:00 PM, Anonymous Joecool said...

Semper,

I was only joking about making 7,000 a month blogging. I think it was in response to an IBO making outrageous claims.

As for the products, the way I see it, the average Jos out there doesn;t really care about perceived higher quality. In name recognition, quixtar is almost generic with a high price tag.

That being said, most people will simply buy from Walmart or Costco because it's cheaper and possibly more bang for the buck. You would need to be able to sell the value to the customer, something many IBOs simply cannot do.

 
At 12/20/2007 09:02:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

Semper Fi, you are wasting your time on these pathetic blogs.

Honestly, as a correctional officer, you would have a better chance of success introducing this business opportunity to the people you deal with on a daily basis rather than arguing with these perfidious bloggers.

 
At 12/20/2007 12:29:00 PM, Anonymous Joecool said...

How are you going to prosper by introducing the idea to prisoners?

 
At 12/21/2007 10:14:00 AM, Anonymous semper fi said...

Thanks for the clarity joe on the blogging thing.

Who said anything about showing the plan to inmates? And can't is all in the mind. Any IBO can be successful if they decide to be. Obviously it's going to take time. But where can you be successful in the work place that it isn't going to take time to? And however you feel about Quixtar is fine with me. It doesn't bother me one way or another. I enjoy hearing you input.

Anonymous, I don't feel like I'm wasting my time. I'm not argueing with anyone. I do show the plan quite often to those around me.I have some web tours to do this weekend. And I'm not criticizing anyone/calling names for those who for whatever reason have a bad taste their mouth for Quixtar. I am however, enjoying conversing back and forth with joe and anyone else who wants to carry on an intelligent conversation. I am very fired up about my buisness and nothing said is going to change that. But I can still enjoy conversation with someone who doesn't share my same views.

Crowe Die Hard Team for life!

Semper Fi,
Jonathan

P.S. I love my team.

 
At 12/21/2007 10:22:00 AM, Anonymous Semper Fi said...

One thing I wanted to clear up before I go to bed. Joe when I said any IBO can be successful if they decide to be. I meant to include anyone period. You don't have to be a IBO to be a success. "Can't" is something that is excepted, not done! That's not from a motivational tools cd either. It was engrained in me through 4yrs. of the Marine Corp.Infantry. I just wanted you to take it that I was trying to say you had to be an "IBO" to be a success.

 
At 12/21/2007 10:27:00 AM, Anonymous Semper Fi said...

Man I need to go to bed. I'm trying to type. "I didn't want you to take it as me saying you had to be an IBO to be a success". There, I typed what I was trying to say.

Finally good night everybody.

Semper Fi,
Jonathan

 
At 1/05/2008 09:14:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

it took me 9 months to get rid of a quixstar lady. I really respect those who are into it. May be it works for them. but when i am not interested that means "go away"..Me and my husband are approached by more than 20 people.It really scares me when some one looks at me with a fake smile showing all their teeth.

 
At 1/13/2008 06:07:00 PM, Anonymous Dowhitewomen4China said...

It seems that a lot of Qbots don't quite understand the basis of economics.

Now, macroeconomics 101, the very basic principle of human economy: supply and demand

There is a supply, and there is a demand in usual business. When the supply is greater than demand, you cannot sell the object. For example, the supply of toilet paper is huge, and the demand for toilet paper isn't exactly huge, thus, you don't pay for toilet paper.

Another example, condoms. The demand for condom is great because the supply of young and nubile white women in my frat is more than the supply of condoms, therefore, we charge for condoms.

Yet another example, the supply of tall, leggy, blonde women from Norway is limited due to genetic and geographic reasons, and demand for them is big. As a result, research shows that a Chinese man like me need to make up to $133500 yearly to seduce such a white woman.

Now, on to the Q business. the difference between Q business and walmart, or say my frat house, is that you must CREATE demand for it by getting downlines. I will make an example for those who are academically challenged (a lot of Qbots are this type).

Let me use a personal example, it's a friday night, and my frat is having a huge party, and there are girl 1 and girl 2. Girl 1 is a beautiful, nubile, blonde white woman, and Girl 2 is my bro's girlfriend, who is also white but just not that hot. Now, my bro is faithful to girl 2 because he is emotionally invested in her and he will defend her as vehemently as any Qbot here, but if he is single, he will definitely pick girl 2, because girl 2 has HIGHER value.

So maybe umm, dump the business?

Stay toned for my next writeup paralleling the business to a cult, hopefully with citations and more reference to young, nubile white women.

 
At 1/14/2008 05:19:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So Jonathan, tell me this. You buy your XS at $20.40 per case and sell it for $24.00 per case and give away shipping for free? To Hawaii? Standard flat rate Box to Hawaii from Tennessee costs $8.95, so that means your total investment is $29.35? It cost you $5.35 just to sell the product, what money did you gain?

Sure you can make it up once you get others below you fighting to make things work. But this isn't as profitable as the IBOs make it out to be.

I agree selling the XS is the easiest mover, but the smallest margins leaves little room to wiggle.

Anyways, it sure takes some Courage and Commitment to sell the Quixtar brand, but am not sure how much Honor they carry, if you know what I mean.....

Semper Fi

 
At 1/15/2008 04:30:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dowhitewomen4China:

Maybe you need to spend some more time in the classroom than with your frat, for your mastery of the English language is leaving some to be desired.

Regarding your reference to Girl 2 having more value? Maybe if you are into girls that are, hmmm how did you put it, just not that hot? If that's your thing, do what you got to do. But that doesn't mean girl 2 has HIGHER value. I think you meant girl 1, as opposed to girl 2.

Additionally, I will try and figure how to "tone" in next time. Are you referring to my muscle tone? Or maybe the tone of my voice? Please report to English 101 for remedial lessons.

Besides that you are right on, just need some improvement in delivery, but I am sure you have heard that one before. Especially when trying to impress those "white chicks".

 
At 1/16/2008 01:50:00 AM, Anonymous Idowhitewoman4china said...

English clearly isn't my strong point, but when one can bang a young, nubile white woman because one doesn't have to throw all the money and freetime down the drain for a pyrmaid scheme, it's great.

Actually, it's really great. Why don't you go get a doctoral degree or something? My father can't spell half as good and he's probably make more $$$ than most of the diamonds, what a society.

 
At 1/18/2008 12:03:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Idowhitewoman4china,

Show me how to make 100,000K + per year in my spare time if not through this business opportunity which by the way is approved by the FTC and Quixtar being a member of the BBB. Can you show us please?

 
At 1/21/2008 06:24:00 PM, Anonymous Idowhitewomen4China said...

show me anyone that actually made over 100000k part time please

 
At 1/23/2008 01:19:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Danny and Renate Snipes. The have a $ 3 million beach home. Not with the job income. They spend hundreds of dollars everyday. You can't. Therefore you don't make $ 100.000 in your spare time.

By the way 100K = 100.000 and not 100000K

But 100.000.000 part time sounds like a better incentive to me at least.

 
At 1/23/2008 02:05:00 PM, Anonymous Joecool said...

One example of a quixtar diamond making a lot of money?

Bill Gates makes more than that but there aren't thousands of people trying to duplicate microsoft.

 
At 1/24/2008 10:32:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joecool is that mode of reasoning how your mother thought you or is it just your choice? Anyway, I wouldn't want to associate with a whinnie like you.

 
At 1/24/2008 06:30:00 PM, Anonymous Joecool said...

anonymous coward said: Joecool is that mode of reasoning how your mother thought you or is it just your choice? Anyway, I wouldn't want to associate with a whinnie like you.

Joe says: That's teh same line of reasoning as "look at the diamond's cushy lifestyle", all you need to do is duplicate it.

 
At 1/25/2008 10:02:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joecool,

I've been looking at your new blog. Such an awesome guy you are. On the one hand you talk about your Quixtar/Amway/MLM/Whatever crusade as being just a matter of opinions and nothing more yet you call me a coward because I'm anonymous. Fine. By the same account your name sounds just as anonymous to me and to anyone else.
What I found enlightening about you is that you are married, 40 years old (now you got younger, 28, as per your profile (http://www.blogger.com/profile/
09121920263105613498)) and yet you go around screwing other women and talking about fetishes such as rimming. You like to rim, don't you? No wonder you are so full of shit. Your mind is just that full of shit and it's doesn't take great discernment to see that. Wow! And I remember my upline telling me about the bathroom wall of the internet. I guess that rimming should be done exclusively in a bathroom and to write on walls with its product. You are such an awesome guy. Someone having harassed you? LOL! A guy like you certainly gets harassed.

 
At 2/05/2008 05:44:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous, are you tex's playmate?

 
At 2/11/2008 02:14:00 PM, Anonymous Anna28 said...

Hey anon....give me your real name, birth date and all pertinent information so I can do a background search on you. What will come up? Anything of interest? Anything that you wouldn't want spead across the internet?

I didn't realize you were perfect. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't cast the first stone...I thought all you IBO's were upstanding Christians?

 
At 2/22/2008 02:47:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting that Quixtar IBOs like to think they are Christian faith, but all the do is pass judgement on others.

"Matthew 7:1 - Do not judge so that you will not be judged."

But yet when IBOs are rejected, their response is to bash others, to call them losers and tell them they are stupid.

This program is in fact a cult. It has some levels of success for certain individuals, meanwhile those on the bottom of the system pay the price. Sure you can move up, but not without the plight of someone else. Meaning finding some sucker that wants to pay more money for inferior products.

But if you are not with them, you are against them. Most IBOs (notice I didn't say all) can't just leave it alone when dealing with rejection. Reason is they believe which believing in anything is a good thing, but if what you believe in carries no merit, then you will soon fall flat on your face.

Even looking at Quixtar BSMs and the financial stats they provide paints a pretty bad picture. Just look at the average income of an IBO. It's nowhere near what the IBOs sell when telling you to chase a dream. Unless you can find a way to stretch out $115 per month! (That is published in the SA4400 as the average IBO monthly income.) Even if you say that figure is diluted, then doesn't that tell you something? That if that many people fail, the system isn't as fool proof as you may think. Heck that $115 per month, wouldn't even cover the value of my time of showing 1 plan, not including gas and other expenses.

But for all you IBOs keep chasing that dream, let me know when you get there.

 
At 2/22/2008 02:59:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Remember this too:

"One out of every 218 “active*” IBOs actually achieved the hypothetical monthly BV performance illustrated above in at least one month during the 12-month survey period."

These show great chances for succes! Woo hoo and we are the losers?

"Approximately .0061% and .0065% of IBOs of record in North America achieved the illustrated level of performance in the calendar year ending December 31, 2005."

What else needs be said?


"Help six people or more do the same and you have a potential income of $200,000–$550,000 per year"

If on 1 of every 218 are succesful that means I need to show the plan to 1308, meanwhile making sure the ones I got on board stay focused. And that's assuming that every single one of those 1308 times showing the plan turns into IBO. Interesting to see some stats on how many plan showings actuall turn into IBOs then factor that in to really show you how many times you need to show the plan in order to be successful.

I am not allergic to work, but this doesn't seem to be the same picture that the IBOs paint on a daily basis.

 
At 2/22/2008 03:05:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

But to answer the original question what do I feel?

It depends. If I tell them NO and they persist, then it is annoying. I am pretty straight forward and do not wish to waste your time, nor mine. But if you are that arrogant that you think you can try to be pushy about it, then you are crossing the line.

I know it all depends on people's personalities, but still No means No!

Tired of the "We are better than you!" attitude, seems like we are back in Jr. High School again with the popularity clubs, if you don't join your not cool! People get over yourself. Just like every JOB, Quixtar has hit pitfalls as well. Don't expect anyone to believe it is perfect as neither is the corporate world.

 
At 3/13/2008 10:28:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Quixtar es la mejor oportunidad de negocios del mundo. Si tu crees en tus suenos, y harras lo que tienes que hacer para tener los resultados deseados, tu tendras gran exito.

 
At 3/17/2008 12:14:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was in Q* for roughly 8 months, guess what? I didn't make a penny, I spent so much money on those "voluntary meetings", standard orders, and CDs. My questions to all Upline is if you really want to be successful, and want to help your downline be successful, why do you charge them so much for those "educational materials"?, is it because you get a cut? yes, you do. I had 30 people under me and i spent 30 hours a week just by going to meetings, showing the plan...how pathetic....to all the IBOs out there, your upline doesn't have any best interest for you, they want you to buy the products, so their paycheck gets bigger. I remember once i had 2 exams and 1 paper due , but my upline wantted me to drive some of my downlines to the meeting, because this "BIG SHOT" is coming to show the plan...guess what I told him I couldn't go. but within 10 mins, 3 more uplines called me...try to convince me to go....folks, if I was still in Q*, I would have never graduated from college, and never got a job..lol...me and some of my friends don't talk anymore because of Q*. so people, before you join up, you should really think about the consequences. If you want to talk about residual income, then save up all the money you would have wasted on Q*, buy an apartment building and rent it out, then use it as leverage to buy more real estate, in 10 years you'll get your residual income, your equity plus respect from your friends.

Tom

 
At 4/02/2008 05:29:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hate it when some one compliments my dress or bag, asks me about my country of origin and then takes my phone number. after two days he /she will call about Q* bullshit.

I have some frnds who are Q* ibos and whole time they talk about Diamonds/big house/platinum/ etc. Most of my non Q* friends avoid them .

So now i am reading
http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/books/rtb.htm

 
At 4/02/2008 05:33:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

when they say me you will be a milliner, i think i don't want to be a milliner when my friends will be avoiding me.

 
At 4/08/2008 11:27:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've been approached 3 times by strangers in public places who have tried to get me to join. The most recent was just a few months ago. It's really annoying because the last two times, they have been very vague initially and once they found out that I do freelance Web design/development, they act as if they are involved with something similar and ask to exchange numbers. After that, they call me a few days later and set up a meeting. It really wastes my time and is annoying. I feel kinda bad for these guys though. At least I know how it works now and I can ask them up front if it's Quixtar.

 
At 4/08/2008 02:04:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yep, the word is out about quixtar, at least in North America.

 
At 5/02/2008 02:07:00 AM, Anonymous lauren said...

My husband attempeted it for a while.Thank God that is over.those people are completely sick.

oh yeah.the same stuff u buy anyway.
no pal. i do not spend $28.00 for a pack of 9 food bars.i forget what kind.but that is a real price.

the meetings,the conferences.its like a cult.PLEASE.stick with college.find a good job.these people wont have ur back when your something and have no retirement.

 
At 5/13/2008 02:15:00 AM, Anonymous That Guy said...

Here's my experience and my views. Might be a good read for new IBOs.

http://www.besikk.com/?p=27

 
At 6/04/2008 05:03:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Antipretic,

I was once an IBO, many, many moons ago (that's native american for years) when I had recently graduated from college but couldn't land a "real job" due to tough economic times. My emotions were weak and I caved in to their delusions of passive income and never having to work for money again. There I was told that jobs are pyramid schemes too since the CEO gets paid the most and you as an employee gets paid the least and after you draw it out on a map it looked like a pyramid. I was hooked. I went to a meeting or two before I officially joined and when I received my welcome package and gained access to their website I saw with my very eyes why this will never work. Basically every business makes money by selling products. Companies like Coca-cola, Walmart, Macy's, etc. the list is huge. Q* sells similar products but they are either on par with retail prices or they are higher. Who would buy a Q* brand when you can get a nationally advertised product for the same price or maybe even cheaper at Walmart or Costco? I wouldn't even be able to sell this stuff to my own mother unless I enjoyed ripping off friends and family. I saw the system for what it is and it is not for selling the product. They preach self-consumption or "being paid to shop" since you'll using the same stuff anyways. Well if it was me, I'd buy what was cheaper and even IBO's can't buy this stuff cheaper than the nationally advertised stuff at Costco. I got my head promptly out of my ass at that moment and quit right away. This is not a business about selling products rather it a business about selling the idea of a business and a dream that, that business will one day run itself and you'll be financially free. The only way to truly make it was to find someone else willing to work for that dream. And that person in turn had to go find someone else. Until finally you had enough "down-lines" that their "self-consumption" would generate enough points or commission that you'll have passive income.

My advise, listen and have an open mind. Take the advise of Anna and rlauren. See if you can make it work if you are hard set on making it work. Heck, contact semperfi for help, that's what these uplines IBO's are for right? But please take a hard look at the numbers. They don't lie. Compare their products to nationally advertised brands and see if you are even remotely competitive. No business has ever survived without selling something for a profit. The last company that tried to fake self-consumption and pass it on as sales was Enron and we all know how that ended.

Today I am an engineer for a large corporation enjoying a modest upper middle-class income. Why would I be here if I have no further business with Q*? Because my research into someone whom I felt was like a hero led me back into Q* and I am sad to admit that my respect for Robert Kiyosaki is waning...

 
At 6/20/2008 12:02:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a long post, but I went into a Quixtar meeting and consider myself a biased person on the matter. I will explain what happened from beginning so please read if you are interested into how the "system works".

I just graduated college and my mom's friend was bragging about my success with small money making schemes I have done(selling vitamins to college students, creating calendars, etc.) and been very profitable to one of her friends. Her friend said I sounded like a person that would fit well with his "team" she gave him my number and he contacted me.

On the phone I was asked if I was interested in a marketing job that was paying very well so we set up a job interview at a local hotel. Being young and naive I never asked the company's name. So I showed up dressed nice and trying to make good impression, but little did I know what I was walking in to. My mom's friend, we will call him Jack, started asking me slow pitch questions about how money is made. Me, being an economics major was somewhat insulted by the low level questions and felt a sense of buttering up or trying to make me feel "good".

Unlike other job interviews, which ask you challenging questions, I started to become skeptical of what was going on here. I then was introduced to another team member, Axel, yes, that was his real name. He was only 19 so I became even more confused. So Jack continued to talk very vague about how people make me in general and how his system works. Compared it to Wal-Mart and Amazon. He then asked if enjoyed reading and I said yes and he asked me some author which I have never heard of and he pulled out some leadership book and said it was amazing. Then I met another team member, Amy 17, and her mother.

Jack caller her the child genius but she seemed average while I engaged in conversation and was also very vague and not to the point when I started asking deep questions about what was going on. Jack then took over the conversation because I believe he knew I was on to what was going on.

The mean time, Jack was pointing around to different people in the lobby saying who they were and how successful they were with the business. We then walked into the meeting room with over 100 people and I was told to sit in the front row with the other guests. These other guests had brought notepads to take notes from the speaker. After realizing this was no longer an actual job interview but some kind of marketing ploy, I became even more interested into what was to be discussed.

The speaker then came onto stage looking professional but was far from it. He then went into more details about the company then finally said its name, Quixtar. The whole time he was saying how most people trade in time for dollars, duh, or do investments which require a large initial investment. He said Quixtar was the alternative for "smart" people trying to live a "better" lifestyle such as buying pricey cars or huge boats.

I then started to lose faith in the speaker because his attempt to act funny/dumb was very weak yet the front row full of saps was loving it. He repeatedly hit the microphone to his head when he messed up talking and other antics which just seemed to cover up his lack of actual training for speaking to an audience. This went on for over one hour with him saying, the systems works, billions are being made and the numbers don't lie.

Quixtar offered items you would normally buy at Wal-Mart or the mall but at lower prices he claimed(free shipping if you buy $75dollars or more). He said the first customer is yourself saying we should all start buying from the Quixtar companies and no longer retails stores you would normally would. Then he set up the image of you bringing your friends into it to and them buying and then telling their friends. Sounds so fun huh? After hearing about how much the average IBO makes $115 a month I think? They failed to say you have to purchase your own inventory to give out samples to your skeptical friends or future clients. But the bulk of the business is done online, which made sense to me. But still why would someone buy something from a brand they have never heard about? I was then the told the water they sale, "Perfect Water" has been in testing for over 50years and is the best water you can drink!!!!

After the meeting I was given a packet with the same info I just listened to, a dvd and some cds. I read over them, watched the dvd, which was nothing more than people saying how good Quixtar was, but failed to listen to the audio cds because I did not want to sit in my car and listen due to the fact that I drove there and had no portable cd player with me.

I then met Jack the next day at a local Starbucks to discuss it even more. Axel showed up and played on his phone the entire "meeting". During the meeting I continued to ask questions which were then returned by a question from Jack. He then asked why I didn't listen to cds and they would open my brain up. I was asking myself, why am I wasting time with this, this guy knows nothing of proper business skills. I stayed because I am nice individual and did not want to be rude. He then made me fill out a list of my friends who I thought would be interested in making some extra money, like myself.

This is where it got even more out of control. I made a list of around 20 friends and he then wanted me to call them, right there and ask them if they too were interested in making extra money. But I then would hand the phone to Jack because he said I was lacking the knowledge and skill in delivering the message of Quixtar in an successful way. I felt put on the spot but did it anyways. Several of my friends picked up, others did not because they work or are going to summer school. The ones that did pick up were pretty confused about the situation and once I gave the phone to Jack to deliver the message, it became somewhat rude.

He was overly aggressive and attacked them by asking why don't you wanna make more money, can't you just give me an answer, you're beating around the bush, I need a yes or no, then once they said no, he would hang up, not even letting me talk to them. I became very irritated and was getting texts back from them instantly saying who the hell was that jerk, what is going on, why is he so rude, and so on.

Jack then said this is excellent, this only means that you need to make new friends that want to make money like you do. I was somewhat shocked and this whole delivery. This was the second time for me to see this guy, only have talked to him for around an hour and he is harassing my long time friends for years and telling me to make friends that are driven for success. Jack didn't realize that he spoke to several medical school students, a law school student, and other business school friends that are very financially driven and motivated. But his lack of business ethics, marketing skills and obvious brainwashing tactics are a joke. Once the meeting was over he wanted to meet up again, I had still not said what I was going to do, but set up another meeting. I then called my friends and apologized for Jack being such an ass. And they laughed once I told them the whole story. This was definitely a learning experience and will be great story to share to educated people who know there is no such thing as a free lunch

 
At 6/21/2008 04:17:00 PM, Blogger Loser said...

I posted it here

http://www.webraw.com/quixtar/forum/viewtopic.php?p=79898#79898

I'm not much active in this blog, u took time to write it and u can get more visibility there.

Hakuna Mutata!

 
At 7/28/2008 05:00:00 PM, Blogger Katie said...

Don't give yourself so much credit. IBO's really don't care what you think. If they do they won't make it very far in the business. We actually have self-esteem. If you are afraid of a stranger talking to you, your self-image is probably pretty poor.

 
At 7/30/2008 04:15:00 PM, Anonymous Broke said...

Of course IBO's care, that's why are always visiting these websites.

 
At 10/13/2008 07:26:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

all of you are wrong quixtar is about pursueing your dream you probbali didnt pursue your dream becuase your all QUITTERZ

 
At 10/14/2008 02:40:00 PM, Blogger Joecool said...

I thought quixtar was supposed to be a business. Anonymous says it is pursuing a dream. No wonder most IBO's lose money. They are pursuing a dream and not running a business. LOL

 
At 2/13/2010 01:36:00 PM, Blogger mack said...

I’m just share my views from top to bottom as I see them.
I feel this is a good simply because its consistent with how the user is used to seeing the comment form and filling out information in general. Filling out the name and email wont take me much time, and if you really wanted to go ahead and type the comment first, you can do so, not really that big of a work around.

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At 2/13/2010 08:40:00 PM, Blogger mack said...

I’m just share my views from top to bottom as I see them.
I feel this is a good simply because its consistent with how the user is used to seeing the comment form and filling out information in general. Filling out the name and email wont take me much time, and if you really wanted to go ahead and type the comment first, you can do so, not really that big of a work around.

small business plane out line

 
At 9/21/2012 11:07:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I too was an IBO, brought in by an employer from a part time job. It's been just under 10 years since I walked away. I was recently approached by someone for another company with strikingly similar sales methods. They don't push the "tools" aspect but the people and their demeanor is scarily similar. I'm almost done paying off my Q debts.

 
At 7/21/2014 02:05:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, yeah, I remember my altercation with the Ambots (this was before Quixtar was introduced in our country - my experience occurred ten years ago).

My boyfriend (now husband) and I were in our last year of high school. My boyfriend worked part time after school at a retail store and yeah, you already know how he got sucked into it: some customers he'd served called him at the store and invited him to bring me to "peruse an exciting small business plan."

I knew there was something wrong from the start. My husband is a wonderful man but a poor judge of character. So we didn't say "Hell no" immediately. It was when we arrived back to our prospective upline's mould-riddden rental property in one of the poorest towns in New Zealand, a night on which they decided that it'd be a great way to lure us in (they'd showed us the plan three times that week and I guess they were getting frustrated by our indecision) to boast about how one day, they'd be sitting at dinner parties with crystal champagne flutes in their hands, fraternizing with doctors and lawyers and astronauts (that last part seemed particularly unlikely as we were living in New Zealand at the time. New Zealand's not well known for its space program because, well, it doesn't have one). I almost choked. I've dreamed of being a doctor my entire life. I suddenly had a vivid image of someone at one of these dinner parties smiling a blood-red smile at me and saying,

"So, what do you do?" Instead of replying, "I'm a doctor" I would have to mumble, "Um, I'm an Amway distributor."

I GTFO on that very night, and I haven't looked back. Meanwhile, that couple, who'd be calling baby sitters in four nights a week to take care of their children while they went off to STP or attend on of their hysteric-riddden rallies, are now poorer than they were when we first met them - and that was when they'd be "plugging into the system" for eight years.

 

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