Friday, June 22, 2007

The Office Clip - seems familiar

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At 6/23/2007 03:22:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow... what can I say after having watched it... neither the presenter nor the audience had any substance in what they were saying; it was just a prank, a funny prank. What's funnier is that you did not appear in it. But don't worry, you think like both, you speak like both, you act like both and besides, your nickname is "LOSER". Makes sense now! As much as this business makes sense to a 10 year old!

 
At 6/23/2007 04:45:00 PM, Blogger Loser said...

They had all the substance a person need to know about this scam AKA business. STAY AWAY.

 
At 6/24/2007 03:16:00 PM, Anonymous leonidus said...

"its not a pyramid scheme, its not even a scheme"! wow, that was amazing. the 2nd half of the statement sums this farce pretty well.

 
At 6/25/2007 12:17:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, you are right leonidus, this video is a great farce just as these not even critical but downright whinny, retarded web blogs are.

 
At 6/25/2007 10:55:00 AM, Blogger Loser said...

Looks like it hits some nerve ;)

 
At 6/26/2007 02:19:00 PM, Anonymous leonidus said...

anon., looks like misunderstood. by farce, it was meant the farce Das Business is. the video was funny, though. you liked it secretly, didnt you ;)

and why waste your precious time/bandwidth (which might be better spent prospecting in places which must not be named, where even the angels dread to enter) on this "whiny little blog". "loser" might be a loser, but you must keep the moral high ground by refraining from harmless personal attacks.

adios amigos.

 
At 7/01/2007 11:24:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You Sir Leonidus, might be advised to improve your English as a second language skills since you hopefully, meant "refraining from harmful personal attacks" instead of "refraining from harmless personal attacks".
As for business advice, no thanks. I have the FTC and the Better Business Bureau, together with thisbiznow.com to use for proper business advice.

 
At 7/01/2007 04:39:00 PM, Anonymous leonidus said...

well, anon. not so fast! i did mean "harmless" since your personal attacks do no harm to "loser" (or anybody else). and again, i consider this recent attack of yours (viz. english as my second language) as perfectly harmless (maybe, even childish).

and forgive me if you mistook my last statement as a "business advice". i would never do that since i do not consider this a business at all. the fact is it is a big sham, farce and will remain so even if it makes you a billionaire.

so, tell me anon., how successful are the walmart, barnes & nobles visits (forgive me for my spelling mistakes)? did you ever get kicked out for soliciting? it must hurt real bad, wouldnt it? which is why you seem to have so much time on your hands recently. anyway, my best wishes for "success" in this sham.

 
At 7/02/2007 02:45:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sir Leonidus, it is awesome to see that you are happy. I am happy too, in my own way and proud of it. So, you keep the nose in your own pot or it may get burnt in the wrong one.
As to why this business works great, I learn that from authoritative sources who conduct themselves in a professional manner while supplying the facts. Given your opinions as magically translated into facts, you are not that type of resource and the reader will be left to decide that for himself.
As for soliciting, it is my decision as to when, where and how to do that. Yes, I got kicked out once in the early days but that did not deter me from pursuing my dreams. I am refining my techniques to be just another guy who goes in and out, no questions asked. When I look back at it, I just laugh. Sometimes, when I pee, I still laugh. Oh man, yeah!
You think that's not true, but then, how do you possibly give birth to facts in view that even comparison is a relative analysis? Time is but a sequential drop in infinity and even so the comparison of your cause and effect that have no tangency with why I seem to have so much time on my hands, recently. Excuse me, I have to take a pee again.

 
At 7/02/2007 06:15:00 PM, Anonymous leonidus said...

lord anon.,

your last post was awesome (the "professional" line was a killer, i think i will be hysterical for the whole day). my jaw simply dropped. i do not know what to say, you had me in a corner and simply burnt my long pinnochio nose. but then, isnt 'quixtar sucks' not your pot? shouldnt you be hanging out in the 'quixtar rocks' communities? and i was confused about one thing--by your dreams did you mean 'soliciting'?

anyway, it looks like we are digressing a lot from the topic of this post which was how funny the office clip was (on which we both seem to agree :) ). so, lets stop spitting on each others pretty faces and wish each other success! and yeah, i still consider your "business" a big black sham.

 
At 7/03/2007 08:34:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, you are absolutely right and I won't even go into further detail for it seems that it is best to wish each other success and focus on more important things. It was nice meeting you, have an awesome life.

 
At 8/01/2007 01:40:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That is so funny! If you liked that one you would probably love this movie called "Believe". It's about an MLM called Believe and it's a total satire on the whole business. It's currently only playing in one theater but I'm doing my part to spread the word so it can play in more theaters around the country! Check it out:

www.believethemovie.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b8rwcUVuAw

 
At 8/08/2007 05:59:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was 'brainwashed' by this scam, and that is exactly what it is.

They make it out to be this great way to sell. Too bad the products are not high quality, not competitively priced, nor are they convenient.

Quality: They promote their dish detergent will bubble up with a toothpick drop. Didn't work, but if you put it underneath a jet head faucet it bubbles it up too. Too bad, the competition performs the same! Whoo Bubbles! Strange how stains set in my dishes once I switched. They will claim user error, how long have I washed dishes?

Convenience: hmmmm. Man I am thirsty, need to do laundry, let me put in my order and wait 2 weeks to get the order, hopefully I don't stink at work tomorrow, but hey, at least I could order it in my underwear! Too bad they don't sell milk, I still have to go to the grocery store. Not to mention, add this shipping cost into the retail price and it makes it even worse. They try to sell the cost of gas for driving to the store, c'mon! At 3.00 per gallon, and 20 mpg, as long as I have a store within 40 miles round trip, I won't exceed the approx. $6 shipping fees. Good thing most people have a market withing= 10 miles. Maybe they did their calculations with the Hummers that the Upline's own?

Competitive pricing: I went a whole month on certain products of theirs and a whole month on store bought products. When calculated what the usage costs where, the store ALWAYS won out. For example, they promote that you have to use double doses of laundry detergent according to the bottle, but even inside the SA8 box top it says 2 doses are possible for soiled clothes. Bottom line is, one box of SA8 lasted me the same time as two jugs of Tide. I paid around $40 for the SA8 and $24 for the tide, so what is the better deal?


They make it that you can get money in numbers, by duplicating your business. But when it is all said and done, nothing sells. So what is the solution? Come to a seminar! Only $125 tickets on sale now! That is when I realized the scam is about tapes and seminars.

Anyways, I am not upset, I took a risk, it didn't work. Good luck to those that try, but don't believe it is all roses. You will have to incur costs in order to make money and it WON'T come easy no matter what they tell you.

 
At 8/10/2007 07:49:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This was truly a funny video...and I'm an IBO. LOL. I love the believe clips too. I really want to see it.

Anyways, I've got some stuff to say...

If my upline is using me to make money, I hope they use me right into a six figure income. Heck, I'd be cool with a five figure income that simply replaces my current income.

By the way, I made more money than my sponsor last month. What a concept.

It isn't a get rich quick scheme, it does take work. I think some are looking for get rich quick and that is why they fail to do well in this type of business.

But, just so you know...even if I never made another penny I'd still be happy.

I get awesome products delivered to my door. That part I love since I hate going to the grocery store (even though it is only 5 seconds away). Oh by the way, we do have milk. It is soy milk, but still it is milk. Personally, I buy my milk at the grocery store. My trips to the store are much more enjoyable since I started shopping online. Shopping online doesn't mean I go without detergent either. I've learned to plan ahead. It really isn't that hard with an ordering system that lets you see what you are buying each month.

I've made some really good friends in this business. I still have my old friends too. What is so wrong with new friends?

The books have really made me a better person in all parts of my life. They even gave me the confidence to get a better job that pays twice as much as my previous job. Do you see anything wrong with that? Plus, the books are helping my friends who aren't in Quixtar because I've shared the books with them. In reality, the books are a great addition to my collection.

The CDs are enjoyable to listen to on my way to work. Sometimes I even listen to them at work on my iPod. The speakers are energetic and funny! It helps me to block out my supervisor fighting with his wife on the phone. Boy I sure hope I'm Platinum by the time he retires so that I don't have to get promoted to his spot. He never sees his family, doesn't get paid for overtime like I do, and he and his wife fight all the time.

Oh and just so you know...I don't make a percentage of what my downline makes. I make a percentage based on my downline's volume of sales. My percentage off of their volume depends on what percentage they reachced so that if they did more work than me, they get more money. If we are both at the same percentage level then I make nothing off of their volume, get it? Maybe not, but I guess you haven't seen the plan. You know, I didn't like cheesecake before I tried it either, but then I tried it and loved it! (And that was an original thought from me).


And for my final thought...if you truly want to help your friends and family members, consider becoming their customer. All IBOs are aware of the fact that this business isn't for everyone and they all want more customers (like any other business). The products are awesome and since your friend/family member gets paid based on the volume going through their business, you would be doing them a huge favor just by even buying one product from them a month. Maybe it could be that one thing you hate buying at the grocery store. It is a funny example, but I mean come on guys, don't you hate picking up tampons for your ladies, have them delivered to your door instead and never feel embarrassed again. Even if you don't become a customer, maybe you could atleast avoid the subject. You have no idea how much pain you cause your friends and family members by the things you say about their dreams and business. I just don't get it. Maybe someone can explain it to me. I do know that if I decided to go into huge amounts of debt and start a grocery store, my family and friends would probably be willing to shop at my store. So what is the difference here? Why are they knocking the idea and shunning the really good products? Is it really because my upline is using me? Can it really be because I have to read books and listen to CDs? Which I already mentioned have caused me to become a better person and by that I mean...I stopped doing drugs and having sex with random people. Please, help me to understand why those who I expected to support me the most have become my biggest enemies. Oh and if you think that I was brainwashed to believe that they are my enemies, then you need to learn the saying "If you can't say anything nice then don't say anything at all." It is only natural to feel like someone is your enemy if they put you and your choices down all the time. Is that really so hard to understand?

 
At 8/13/2007 02:06:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

HI EVERYONE, IN OUR CENTER...NORMALLY PEOPLE LIKE THIS BLOG WRITER WE WILL "NEXT"...BECAUSE HE STILL CAN'T SEE THE VALUE OF AMWAY BUSINESS. WE TELL THOSE WHO LIKE TO LISTEN AND DO FOR THOSE WHO DUN WAN TO DO!

 
At 8/15/2007 07:18:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just finished reading a book called: "WWW Stands For World Wide Whinners."

This book warns of losers like these who live in blogs and all they do is spit out negativity and trash to the Wild Wild Web.

These loosers are just failures in life who don't take resposibilty for they failures and blame everyone beside them.
These are angry people with to much time in their hand which they use it to complain and whinne like cry babies, instead of doing something productive for their lives.
The World Wide Whinners.
You listen to them, you'll stay broke for the rest of your life.

Do Quixtar better and see all those succesful people who have made it. See the evidence right there. People who decided to never give up on their dreams and didn't pay attention to these cry babies who live on blogs.

BEWARE!

 
At 8/20/2007 07:01:00 PM, Anonymous Joecool said...

Anonymous wrote: I just finished reading a book called: "WWW Stands For World Wide Whinners."

This book warns of losers like these who live in blogs and all they do is spit out negativity and trash to the Wild Wild Web.


Joe says: Of course you know that quixtar has blogs and web pages. Are you saying their are broke losers too?

:)

 
At 8/23/2007 01:19:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You know what gives Quixtar such a bad rep? It's the fact that they try to hide what they really are.

When we had first signed up we were told to deny relation to Amway in any fashion, even though the relation was through Altricor. That we should challenge the intelligence of people as if they were clueless.

Secondly, the business is promoted as all about the products. When the real money comes in selling tapes/cds/books/etc. This all under a seperate flag of "BSM" which nobody is supposed to feel pressured into, but that is not the case. Sure the tapes are good, but I got tired of that being the focus of my upline. I felt ready to sell, but instead it was buy another tape! Come see John Maxwell speak, etc. Which I did. But don't lie to me and tell me you want to sell products, when all you really want is tapes!

Thirdly, the attitude that Quixtar handles rejection with is over zealous. As soon as someone challenges the system, they simply say they are and "idiot" or and "internet geekoid" and never really answer any legitimate questions. You can just about gurantee that a response from an IBO will include a word like: loser, failure, idiot, geek, etc. 5th graders selling candy bars were better at handling rejection.

Is the model good? Yes, that is what I loved about it. But in order to make it work, you need to have something to sell. The quality/price/convenience of the products are terrible. We can all be the best sellers in the world, but you can't sell cr@p to everyone for long. Or maybe your family and friends do you a favor, but aren't they paying the price? Why not just ask to borrow the money instead? Plus to wait 2+ weeks to get products in the continental US, and I am only 1 state away from MI.

Another funny thing is that even pro-Quixtar blogs and sites say you can easily access information on Quixtar on the internet, but in case you come across a negative opinion, that it is simply some loser. Only believe what they tell you, don't take what the general public tells you. I say you are smart, take facts and statements from both sides and make your choice. Best of luck to you either way. But I won't call you a loser.

Sure there are probably people that make it work, power to them. But keep this in mind, the average IBO makes $115 per month, that is $1380 per year. How much money plus time do you think you will spend promoting the system? Hopefully, your business works out better than the vast majority do. But you will probably claim those people as losers, which I guess we can say the same about you in the corporate world. After all didn't you come here to stop being a slave for peanuts? Does that make you a loser too?

 
At 8/24/2007 07:25:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's funny how this video promote a pyramid structure as if it's a bad and illegal thing?

Can you draw a pyramid to at your corporate job or at your church or in the governemnt or in every organitation in the world?

Everything is a pyramid, now can the prove to you that quixtar is an illegal scam? The world wide whiners can't, because it's not, and any attempt to prove it's an illegal scam will be proved worng by me. It's a challenge.

 
At 8/24/2007 07:55:00 PM, Anonymous Joecool said...

Yes, my job has a pyramid organizational structure. So does a lot of things.

But let's be clear - quixtar is still a pyramid where the guys on top make money from the paychecks of the guys on the bottom.

At my job, the boss gets paid by company profit, but by me purchasing tapes from my bosss that teaches me how to do my job.

 
At 8/25/2007 03:47:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

joecool, let me ask you a question.

Is any type of slaes job evil too since the managers make their commissions based on their teams effort?

Is Mr. Sam Walton evil cause his family makes money out of anything you buy from their store?

And no, we don't get a piece of the paychek of our downline, they get a piece of OUR pay chek. If you can't even get this basic thing right, how can I believe you on the rest of your opnions about Quixtar's bonus program?

Also if I'm your upline and you're my downline and I have only 2 legs established, but since you put more effort than me and you work your business harder, you have 10 legs, who do you think makes more money? Me on top with only 2 legs or you on the bottom but with 10 legs?
Yes, you on the bottom make a lot more than me.
Now tell me, how is this a pyramid shape?

But in your job, no matter how much harder you work than your boss or your CEO's they're always going to get a much bigger paychek than you. And you you seem a threat of taking their position because of your hard work and integrity, they find ways to fire you. You think that's fair?

Hey, I perfer my friend making money off my business volume as long as I'm succeeding I don't care, I perfer that than trying to survive in the corporate world.

Peace.

 
At 8/27/2007 01:37:00 PM, Anonymous Joecool said...

anonymous,

I have no problem with Mr. Walton making money when you buy stuff from his store.

That's not how quixtar works. You have deceiving upline telling you to buy from yourself and the true key to success is buying tapes and seminars.

Upline makes money from your paycheck, not from customers buying products.

Big difference. Mr. Walton didn't get rich from his employee's purchases. He got rich from customers, something foreign to quixtar IBOs.

 
At 8/27/2007 03:03:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's the difference about getting rich from customers or getting rich from employees?
Do you think his employees don't buy from Wal-mart?
If he didn't operated his business using his employees, he wouldn't be rich. So of course he uses his employees so he can be rich, why do you think he has them for?

Also, what's wrong with an upline making money cause of what their downline buys?

If I would follow your same logic, I honestly have to conclude that making money from someone's purchases is wrong.

Also we do have customers and many of them, who are not even IBO's.
And why buy those products from somebody else when we can buy them from ourselves? What wrong with that?

Also, I you don't know a bit about managing a succesful business don't come to conclution about things. So let me ask you. Why do you buy books and pens and backpacks and all the other stuff so you can use it at school? Why do you pay the school for, aren't they evil cause they're making money out of your paychek, plus they won't even guarantee anything?

Again, upline doesn't make money from downline's paychek. Downline makes money from upline's paychek.
That's why a certain percent is taken out of the upline's paychek, to pay the downline. That's how the system works. If you don't know, don't assume. Study your stuff first buddy and don't try to teach about something you don't know a bit about.

Did you know Quixtar owns the Orlando Magic basketball team, Peter Island, are the official sponsors of the X games and many more stuff?

Joecool, let me ask you a question, is Quixtar is an illegal scheme as you draw it to be? What do you think?
Or is it just a different business model from the typical ones?

 
At 9/11/2007 05:57:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

For everything that the downline buys the upline makes money from increased PV/BV points. There is no encouragement for uplines to really see you promoted, only encouragement to see you spend money. They pawn it off that you already spend that money regardless, why not from yourself? They say that you can earn money back by buying it off of yourself instead, but the question is can you earn enough money back to cover the higher costs of the Quixtar products, plus earn some profit? So what is the solution? Get someone to sign up downline to do the same and so on and so on and so on. So what is the problem? There is no “fresh” money, there needs to be money coming from a “customer” in order to make profits, otherwords you simply are getting caught up in this chasing your tail scheme and in order to stay above water you need to get others involved as well, your downline. Get them spending their money trying to make money so that they can feed you.

Ok, so you get these people chasing their tails too, what is your encouragement to help them past that hump? None. As long as a collective whole you are making your bonus levels of PV/BV it doesn’t matter, let them keep spending their money trying to make ends meet. This is what makes the rich get richer and the poor stay poor. Only the slight few actually are successful at this scheme. But once again people believe they are saving money, when they are actually spending more than they would at the store.

Which brings us to pricing. Quixtar advertises that the SA8 solution will last as long as 5.6 bottles of Coldwater Tide. Well, I used Regular Tide in my comparison and used the same amount of detergent for both and washed in my front load washer similar loads/capacities/soils etc. I did not see one major difference in cleaning performance, but yet the retail price of SA8 (1.04gal/133.21 fl oz.) is $36.45 which is $0.27 per fl oz as compared to $6 (100 fl oz container) at Meijer which comes to $0.06 per oz. So what is the better deal? Even if I use their statistics, which I think are inflated and biased I have to use 5.6 100 fl oz jugs that comes out to be a total cost of $33.60, still $3.00 cheaper and I don’t have to wait to get the product. Which brings me to shipping costs which only make the purchase worse for Quixtar! Even if you get the IBO price you still are at $31.40 and once you add in shipping costs you will eclipse what you spent on the Tide. So what does it really buy you anyways? And considering the fact that the Tide cleans much better than SA8 anyways there really is not a debate.

I really like the model that Quixtar brought, simply put, if they had products that could stand on their own feet for more than a second it would probably work out really well, but reality is that the products are very poor in quality/performance and given that are not priced very competitively.

I can care less for all the pyramid schemes bs both ways. Both the corporate world and Quixtar share similar organization. Why do we need to complain about one being a slave to the corporate world, while the other averages a salary of $115 per month trying to educate me about financial freedom?

 
At 9/12/2007 11:05:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I pretty much stopped reading your post after you said

"Get them spending their money trying to make money so that they can feed you."

You obviously seem to be oblivious to the fact that you already are part of the scene every day when you go to a store to get products. You have a choice, you either buy them (spending money so the store owners can make profit to feed thmselves) or you steal them. Why don't you steal them? That way, the stores will not make money off of you so you should be happy. I encourage you to steal, or are you chickening out? I thought you love to keep your money to yourself.

 
At 9/12/2007 07:43:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

For everything that the downline buys the upline makes money from increased PV/BV points. There is no encouragement for uplines to really see you promoted, only encouragement to see you spend money.

>>Errrr.
False statement.
The more you succeed and get promoted, the better for the up line cause it means a bigger bonus for him.

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They pawn it off that you already spend that money regardless, why not from yourself? They say that you can earn money back by buying it off of yourself instead, but the question is can you earn enough money back to cover the higher costs of the Quixtar products, plus earn some profit?

>>Yes. You can do it buy doing what you got to do.
If you would ask the same question to an big pin level IBO, he will answer, yes I’m already doing it.

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So what is the solution? Get someone to sign up downline to do the same and so on and so on and so on. So what is the problem? There is no “fresh” money, there needs to be money coming from a “customer” in order to make profits, otherwords you simply are getting caught up in this chasing your tail scheme and in order to stay above water you need to get others involved as well, your downline. Get them spending their money trying to make money so that they can feed you.

>>Just like every single business you see around you. No customer or people buying your products, no money, duuuuuuh!

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Ok, so you get these people chasing their tails too, what is your encouragement to help them past that hump? None. As long as a collective whole you are making your bonus levels of PV/BV it doesn’t matter, let them keep spending their money trying to make ends meet. This is what makes the rich get richer and the poor stay poor.

>>No? No encouragement? That right there proves that you don’t have a clue of what tha heck are you talking about.
Do you understand? That the more people below you succeed and the more rooted they get with their own business the better and more rooted yours gets too?
Why would I want only a bunch of customers buying and that’s it? If that was the case then my business would be shallow and can fall at any time. The more rooted, the better, that’s the goal.

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Only the slight few actually are successful at this scheme. But once again people believe they are saving money, when they are actually spending more than they would at the store.

>>The few that decide to make it happen. The ones that don’t make excuses and blame thing on everyone else other than themselves.
Yes my friend, by becoming an IBO you are saving money. This is just a no brainer, why should I debate this?

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Which brings us to pricing. Quixtar advertises that the SA8 solution will last as long as 5.6 bottles of Coldwater Tide. Well, I used Regular Tide in my comparison and used the same amount of detergent for both and washed in my front load washer similar loads/capacities/soils etc. I did not see one major difference in cleaning performance, but yet the retail price of SA8 (1.04gal/133.21 fl oz.) is $36.45 which is $0.27 per fl oz as compared to $6 (100 fl oz container) at Meijer which comes to $0.06 per oz. So what is the better deal? Even if I use their statistics, which I think are inflated and biased I have to use 5.6 100 fl oz jugs that comes out to be a total cost of $33.60, still $3.00 cheaper and I don’t have to wait to get the product. Which brings me to shipping costs which only make the purchase worse for Quixtar! Even if you get the IBO price you still are at $31.40 and once you add in shipping costs you will eclipse what you spent on the Tide. So what does it really buy you anyways? And considering the fact that the Tide cleans much better than SA8 anyways there really is not a debate.

>>You are not serious are you?
Comparing a Ford with a Bentley?
Well everybody is prone to their own taste and opinions about products. The only thing I know is that all the people I sell SA8 (these are non IBO’s) to fall in love with it and tell me that SA8 is much much better than Tide and the other brands they used to buy. And now they’ve become my customers. And yes, I buy it for my self and it does clean much better since and last much longer since it’s concentrated, plus is biogredagable. What else can you ask?


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I really like the model that Quixtar brought, simply put, if they had products that could stand on their own feet for more than a second it would probably work out really well, but reality is that the products are very poor in quality/performance and given that are not priced very competitively.

>>Are you serious?
You’re kidding, right?
Do you know about our energy drinks, vitamins, water filters, cosmetics, etc?
They all rank number one on quality in the whole country.
Please don’t get me started on quality.
J

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I can care less for all the pyramid schemes bs both ways. Both the corporate world and Quixtar share similar organization. Why do we need to complain about one being a slave to the corporate world, while the other averages a salary of $115 per month trying to educate me about financial freedom?

>>Those who educate in Quixtar are not the ones who earn $115 per month.
In other for you to qualify to give meetings and speak in seminars you have to be a platinum and above. Those who can teach from experience and not for mere position.

Wow! I see how much you know about the business.

 
At 9/26/2007 12:24:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

We can argue till the cows come home about the quality of the products. I am in sales in the corporate world and I do rather well. I got into Quixtar because I have a high level of energy and a strong work ethic and would rather work harder now, than later when I am older.

I promoted the products, I used them on a daily basis, I bought them off of myself, all of that. I gave away samples, I even held blind evaluations of products where the customer did not know what was Quixtar products and what where name brands. I did this with about 15 different people and not one person ever picked the Quixtar product. But like I said I sell for a living and no matter how hard I tried the products just didn't move.

As I said, I also remained committed to the products for one whole year. When I started in the business I gave it a year to show SOME progress, ANY progress. I saod I would be faithful to the products and I would not buy anything from the store that I could buy from home and I was faithful. At the end of the year I calculated my annual spendings and compared that to both the year previous and even now comparing to this years spendings I spent about 47% more on Quixtar products than I had in the same period of time on Brand Name products.

I also went to meetings/functions on a regular basis, I showed the plan all the time and was pretty good at it, not claiming the best but I did a fine job as claimed by my uplines including a platinum.

I was very intrigued by this plan and excited. I made a plan and a commitment and it did not work out. Am I trying to convince others not to sign up? Not at all. Maybe they can read what I have written and improve on things I may have done wrong.

I just find myself becoming more irritated with the "Us versus the World" attitude of IBOs. That everyone that doesn't succeed is a "loser". I believe that Quixtar has a niche and for some people it suits them perfectly. But just as the corporate world isn't for everyone, neither is Quixtar.

It was funny, the other day I was at a McDonald's and I heard some familiar words about "Showing the Plan" amd realized this lady was trying to recruit this guy, well come to find out he is already an IBO too, small world. Anyways, then the girl's fiance comes in and they were speaking about him just getting done with a 12 hour shift. Then this guy asked how the business is going and they were talking how it was great and how they get good reviews on the products, etc. Then the guy asked why the fiance had to work so long if business was so good. And they both responded that nobody orders anything off of them and they haven't signed anyone up. Ok, so maybe they are newbies I am thinking, when the guy asks how long have they been doing this? I almost choked when they said 2 years. But even worse, the guy concurred with their thoughts that he has the same feedback.

So what does that tell you? It tells you that the system isn't perfect. That some downlines get left out to dry, maybe they don't get enough support from their upline or maybe they just aren't good at selling. But there sure are some uplines that appreciate the PV/BV that they bring with their personal purchases. Am I saying the corporate world is perfect? No, simply say make educated decisions. Something is always worth trying once,but know what your limits are and what you are willing to commit to and do it. But simply referring to those that aren't successful as losers is not the ethical way an organization should run. Especially considering they try to infuse christian religion into their meetings with church on Sunday. I mean didn't they read the part of the bible covering being judgmental? Then they go off calling people losers? It's a motivational tactic, to make the IBO's feel powerful.

But the whole point about someone making $115 per month teaching me about being financially free is all about showing the plan. You don't have to be a platinum in order to show the plan. One of the key points of gaining interest while showing the plan is to talk about financial freedom. So until an organization provides a way for everyone at every level to be financially free, don't claim to provide it.

Sure there are uplines that have made it successfully, but out of curiosity it would be interesting to know what percent of downlines are very succesful as well. I mean if I make a dollar off of one downline and duplicate that a million times that means I make a million dollars, and if all my downlines don't make it to a certain compensation level I don't need to compensate them, which means less work for me! So it is actually better this way to have a bunch of IBOs accumulating PV/BV in small amounts because it adds up.

One more question, do you think that the Quixtar direct employees work off of the program? Or do you think they collect a salary? Funny how an organization that bashes the corporate world, does in fact operate in the same fashion once you peel back all the layers of the onion.

Lose the attitudes and maybe your reputation will improve.

 
At 9/26/2007 12:49:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And one more stat for you, and this is using published Quixtar information.

It states in the Business Overview:

"Help six people or more do the same and you have a
potential income of $200,000–$550,000 per year."

Sounds great right?

Wait a second....

It also says that:

"One out of every 218 “active*” IBOs actually achieved the hypothetical monthly BV performance illustrated above in at least one month during the 12-month survey period."

1 out of 218 IBOs actually reached the figures that you are showing me will get me financial freedom? That is 0.4% chance of making one successful leg!

So you are telling me, using the published statistics, that in order to make the $200-$550K " potential income I have to basically work on 1308 legs to be successful.

Using those figures and the chances for profit would you invest in a stock like that? I wouldn't, it would be like Russian Roulette. I am sure there are many stocks out there that give you a better chance at profit than 0.4%. But hey who am I to argue? They are your own organization's numbers. Great selling data. I am sure they are required to put that on there to protect themselves.

 
At 9/26/2007 01:42:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And that 1 out of 218 IBO figure was counting that one as having reached the criteria for at least one month of a 12 month period. That doesn't illustrate a steady business, someone could have gotten lucky one month. Now what percentage of that 1% actually sustained that BV value for an extended period of time. That would be useful.

 
At 10/09/2007 11:18:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok... This is for all the people out there who claim Quixtar is a scam and a lie in which people are lured into a "cult" to make thier upline money.

First let me say that everyone in the world... other than smart people like Donald Trump who are indeed living on passive income,will work a job from the time they are of legal age to join the workforce until they retire. So is it so hard to believe that there is a system out there that can set people free from financial burdens? You are going to work a job anyway, so why not build the business?

People hate this business because it's not the norm for America. They redicule it and put it down because people are actually living a lifestyle of financial freedom from it.

Cult you say? Well if all religions, churches, interest groups, lobbyists, and anything else that masses of people are a part of, then if you say so then fine Quixtar is one. No matter what you say about this business you are right. You the individual are right about what ever you say about it. If you support it then great, it will work for you. If you don't then great! It wont work for you. Cults... hmmm I reckon the Military is a cult then too. The Armed Forces of America are one big group separated into different branches who have different beliefs and core values coinciding with one common goal: Defend this nation. Much like Quixtar is run.... right? Free Enterprise according to you folks has to be limited to franchises like Subway, McDonalds and other chains. Again the "Norm" that society has instilled into people. Sad.

Just something for all those negative people out there to think about who have absolutely no Business Owner mentality. Have fun working until the rest of your life.

 
At 10/17/2007 05:11:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Boy! Some of the Quixtar supporters' arguments are so dumb that I think they deserve to be in Quixtar.

Cannot tell the difference between selling to customers and selling within the pyramid. And cannot see how Quixtar products are way overpriced.

The irony is that the money a few uplines make actually comes from the salaries that the downlines earn while working a real job.

The Quixar system as a whole is so inefficient that it does not create any wealth. Just sucks a little bit from the real world. Yea, kinda like a church. A cult that sucks in some money to maintain the life style of a few at the top.

Americans know this scam and stay away from it, except for the scammers at the top. The downlines are mostly ignorant and geeky immigrants with nothing else to do on weekends. Very sad.

 
At 10/21/2007 01:45:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Average Joe Boy/ Joanna Girl,

I have replied to your October 18 post so, read it and learn to think out of the box. Your comments prove that you are indeed a very sad little person with no real dreams and substance in your own being.

 
At 10/25/2007 05:19:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"People hate this business because it's not the norm for America. They redicule it and put it down because people are actually living a lifestyle of financial freedom from it."...
Not even close...you guys will throw anything out there no matter how ridiculas it sounds. America stays away because there are red flags all over Quixtar/Amway. No matter how you want to call it, it is still a pyramid and a majority of pyramids are scams. People live a life of financial freedom in many types of jobs, no one hates them for it. And I have yet to see someone from Quixtar/Amway truly live a financially free lifstyle. Before all you IBO's come at me and say "I make blah blah blah"...prove it...I want to see a p/l sheet, a balance sheet, a depreciation accounting, and an expense report to back it up. Fake it till you make it, right? And who is to say that money is the key to happiness in life? For this I feel the most for Quixtar folk... $$$$ is all you see. You hide behind excuses like " I wanna be with my family" and "Its made me a better person" but lets call a duck a duck if it quacks like one, shall we? Thats not why you got involved, and its not why you continue hoping that "success is right around the corner" is it? It was for the money. And if by some slim chance you are still convinced its not for the money, then why call critics of Quixtar/Amway "broke losers"? That is a response of someone who is focused on the almighty dollar!!

 
At 10/30/2007 11:03:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That is a response of someone who is focused on the almighty dollar!!

Let me guess that you happen to not be focused. Then, why do you go to your job everyday? You got better things to do than just trade time for dollars if dollars were no object. But here is the problem, dollars are a part of life and if you are not focused on making dollars you end up living under a bridge in a cardboard! It's sad to see people like you resorting to such views and enforcing them on others as the truth. If I gave you $ 10.000 tonight, will that solve some of your debts or will you be amazingly stupid to say nahhhh..... I don't focus on the dollar. I guess i will give it to the next guy who says "yes"!

 
At 11/01/2007 05:45:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

LOL...Too freakin funny...1st, why do you assume that I have debt? I manage my finances nicely, if I do say so myself. The only debt I have is a mortgage...which is good debt to have...a house appreciates in value every year and to not have any debt of any kind is a red flag on your credit score.

2nd, What better things could I have to do if I don't go to work? Watch TV? Clean the house? Go shopping? Browse the internet? Sleep late or a lot? Drive around aimlessly? I go to work because I enjoy what I do first and foremost. I adore the people I work with...clients, my employees, my vendors. During the day I function with society in a manner that I choose to. And yes...I enjoy the exchange of my time for money. I feel that I am well compensated for that, so no complaints here.

3rd...I in no way am presenting my views or opinion as fact. Thats the problem with you IBO's, you are taught that everything you are told is fact...nothing is an opinion. Don't bother using indipendant thought or even logic for that matter, just trust what your upline tells you...its fact, why wouldn't it be?? That's sad and you comment was down right silly.

4th...Dollars are important for sure, but you IBO's are not focusing on the dollar you are worshiping it...BIG difference. Making a ton of money with minimum effort to you IBO's runs your lives. You have meetings about it, have pictures of the things you want taped up everywhere, you eat it and you breathe it...

And finally...I would say no if you offered me $10,000. Not because I don't need or want it but because nothing in life comes for free...NOTHING. I am to smart to fall for that. No one comes by and offers anyone money for nothing. Charities are different and even then there is an advantage to giving money to a charity; tax breaks. So while I don't think you were meaning that you would offer me that money as a donation because I am in need, I would say no. I know that if something sounds to good to be true then it probably is.

 
At 11/06/2007 01:06:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said: No one comes by and offers anyone money for nothing. Not because I don't need or want it but because nothing in life comes for free...NOTHING. So while I don't think you were meaning that you would offer me that money as a donation because I am in need, I would say no. I know that if something sounds to good to be true then it probably is."

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!

It seems this lady knows me as well as Jesus Christ does! How pathetic!

For YOUR information, I do give money away when I meet homeless people because I feel it's the right thing to do! I feel it in my heart and can go on giving quite a bit because I am moved when I see them! If they use that money unwisely then, it's their choice alone for I did my kind gesture and am absolved of their guilt! Well, no one comes by and offers anyone money for nothing except me!

So, yeah, it's too good to be true!
How pathetic! For all the serious IBOs out there, go Diamond!

 
At 11/13/2007 02:33:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who said that you didn't give to charity?? As in true IBO style, twist things around no matter how convoluted, to your advantage. It specifically says that if you offered me $10g not a blanket charity amount. Do you offer homless on the streets you run into $10g or do you give them a few bucks? Big difference. And how exactly does this relate to knowing you like Jesus?? Thats real scary. Could it be that you just didn't understand what was written or did you truly re-work reality once again?? Let me know...

 
At 11/15/2007 10:48:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Listen,

If I gave you $ 10,000 telling you to "take it and use it to afford what you wanted, don't pay back", what is wrong with that? When I will make $ 100,000 per month, I can give $ 10,000. I have no problem with that. Money in my view is just an object, a piece of paper with fancy graphics. That's it! It doesn't speak, it doesn't think, it doesn't feel and yet people treat money as "sacred"! Well, it is sacred because you need it to afford whatever you want and not just because it is a substitute for God! I hope I have clarified that.

 
At 11/16/2007 02:16:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

LOL!!! What's wrong anon3?? Feel like you have been backed into a corner?? Again I point out, you can give as much as you want to whomever you want, that was not the issue. You IBO's are all the same. You are programmed nicely. I won't even go into details about the many holes in your comments about giving away $10g. You, clearly, even saw that. The problem with giving someone $10g without going through some charity is, that it s a large amount of money to be throwing in somones lap for no reason. Even a homless person would ask you what's the catch. Again, I am answering your hypothetical situation using the information at hand...I am not in need of $10g, whether you want to believe that or not is up to you, so my response stands. That's the problem with you IBO's, you are surrounded by people who desperately need money that you don't take the time to think that there are people in the world not with Q* that do not need to be a millionaire. You worship the $, you actually encourage it. There are people in the world that don't and are happy with what they have, I happen to be one of those people. I am happy with where I am in life, with what I have, and what I am, and while I am not saying that you shouldn't be, I am saying that you should stop assuming that everyones lives revolve around money and how they can get more and more and more of it. Get back to me when you have a viable argument.

 
At 11/30/2007 09:26:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, I do have a viable argument.

Based on what you say, you are happy where you are in life. I am happy for you too! I would be even happier if you actually don't trespass into my world out of respect. Therefore, keep on doing what you do to be happy just as I keep on doing what makes me happy. Have a nice life.

 
At 11/30/2007 01:35:00 PM, Anonymous Joecool said...

Haha, anonymous says don't trespass into his world.

If you can't take the heat, don't go in the kitchen.

Coming to write on a blog is not trespassing.

Haha

 
At 11/30/2007 01:53:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 3 said..."Yes, I do have a viable argument.

Based on what you say, you are happy where you are in life. I am happy for you too! I would be even happier if you actually don't trespass into my world out of respect. Therefore, keep on doing what you do to be happy just as I keep on doing what makes me happy. Have a nice life."

That is not a viable argument, instead of wasting all your time reading Quixtars recomended books, try picking up a dictionary once in a while.

I didn't "trespass" into your world, you trespassed into mine, the day that one of your dear IBO's started using my comapny to finance their 'business' powered by Quixtar. It's not my fault you are surronded by some of the most unethical, dishonest, cheating people in the world. Maybe if there really was money to be made with Quixatr, then IBO's wouldn't have to lie, steal and cheat others to get ahead, but they do, and by them doing so, it has given people on the reciving end, like me, the right to "tresapss" in your world. Don't like it, tough. Get used to it...things are changing in Quixtar, and unlike they tell you, its not for the better.

 
At 12/05/2007 09:03:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lady, let me tell you this, softly, hopefully not having to bitch slap you, ok?

Based on your own statements, you do not understand the business plan and you do not take actively take advantage of it. Therefore, you can not teach what you don't do, you can only criticize and opinionate. That's totally fine.

You are not plugged into a mentorship system that can teach you how to become and overcome. Quixtar is not a mentorship system. It's a supplier of products and services. Mentorship systems are independent from Quixtar and their systems are excellent to help one grow and overcome and by the same measure, filter out those who are unrepentant.

Since you are alien to all of the above, what makes you think that the changes in Quixtar are not for the better? What would you have done to make changes for the better?

Joecool, it was nice meeting (farting loudly) you!

 
At 12/05/2007 05:53:00 PM, Anonymous Joecool said...

I understand the plan. I also understand and can see that anonymous coward is probably losing his shirt but trying to show bravado by posting his stories and attacking anyone who is a critic of quixtar.

I bet anonymous coward, in the back of his mind, truly knows that he is failing in quixtar, but tries to do what he is being taught on the tapes. :P

 
At 12/06/2007 05:03:00 PM, Anonymous Anna28 said...

Anonymous said...
"Lady, let me tell you this, softly, hopefully not having to bitch slap you, ok?"

Yet another prime exapmle of the upstanding individuals involved with Q*. The intelligence is just spewing from that lovely comment. All I can say is bring it on...but be forwarned I am not your typical prissy little girl. You will look like a real fool after you get your ass handed to you by a woman. You started it, but I will finish it.

Anon says..."Based on your own statements, you do not understand the business plan and you do not take actively take advantage of it. Therefore, you can not teach what you don't do, you can only criticize and opinionate. That's totally fine."

So you are unable to read. Congrats. Where did you get the impression from my post that I was trying to teach or didn't understand the plan? Even better, where did you read that I was ever an IBO? Read it again and get back to me.

Anon says..."Since you are alien to all of the above, what makes you think that the changes in Quixtar are not for the better? What would you have done to make changes for the better?"

Again with the crap about how someone can not possibly understand who's outside Q*, yet while pitching your scam you say how easy it is and how anyone can do it. BLAH....

I think the changes are to ease critics and government organizations from taking note. Good luck with that. Still won't change the fact that they are liars and are profitting from those lies you all eat up. It's caught up with them in the past, it's caught up with them now, it will catch up with them again in the future. To ignore history is to repeat it.
The changes I would implement are simple...
1)get rid of the whole tools issue...period. They are not needed, and if something like that is needed on the rare occasion that it should be, then it will be provided to you for free at the company's expense.
2)Cut down on seminars...way down, say one a year for each region. No more contraversy there.
3)Allow advertisments, allow store fronts and so on to build a non-IBO customer base larger than 3.4%.
4)Stop telling people how they can be financially free with little time. Report the facts. There is nothing wrong with someone saying "hey look, I went from living from pay check to pay check every month but now I have built up a business that allows me to save. I am not a millionaire but I am comfortable, happy and have come a long way...and will go further."
5) lower the prices of the products to be more competetive. If they are as superior as you all say, then lowering the prices will increase the volume by leaps and bounds, not only by IBO's but by non-IBO customers. The potential would be amazing.
6) be more open as a company. A company that has done nothing wrong has nothing to hide, and has no reason to not be open, no matter what the issue is.
7)get new lawyers. The ones Q* has now just plain suck.
8)actually enforce the rules of conduct. Throw the trash out no matter what the level.
Shall I continue....

 
At 12/10/2007 12:45:00 PM, Anonymous *Going Crown* said...

"1)get rid of the whole tools issue...period. They are not needed, and if something like that is needed on the rare occasion that it should be, then it will be provided to you for free at the company's expense."

Get rid of universities', colleges' and schools textbooks because they are not needed, period. Students should only attend classes and they will naturally become experts in their field of choice by attendance only. Therefore, tools are not only needed but harmful because they interfere with the student's natural ability to discover his inner power of knowledge much as a magician discovers his hidden treasures of greatness in the forbidden sciences! LOL!
But still, if they are needed in the rare occasion that they should be, money can be made at the expense of the students still but not as much as before. Still, they won't enrich out students' growth by a significant margin.

However, what is being said by successful people is that any venture to become profitable, one needs the knowledge and the fortification of the mind to travel the journey it takes to become profitable. This knowledge comes in different forms but in the end , it is carried on a medium such as a book, a CD, a DVD and so on.

Naturally, money is being made in providing this education provided that you have been applying the education you preach.

Yes, I am looking to make money in this area as well. Nothing wrong, right?

"2)Cut down on seminars...way down, say one a year for each region. No more contraversy there."

I'm afraid that's not possible. The unending influx of new people requires that they acknowledge the magnitude of the business and that first person witness to third person success builds belief in oneself that such achievement applies to not only the third person but to anyone willing to follow a proven system to success.
The same could be said about educational institutions out there even if what they teach is sometimes questionable and not always for the greater benefit of oneself. Still, the influx of new students keeps these institutions in business.

"3)Allow advertisments, allow store fronts and so on to build a non-IBO customer base larger than 3.4%."

As an IBO I have full, sovereign right to decide how my business operates and what my business should look like. Since you are not a confined partner, I must reject your involvement.

"4)Stop telling people how they can be financially free with little time. Report the facts. There is nothing wrong with someone saying "hey look, I went from living from pay check to pay check every month but now I have built up a business that allows me to save. I am not a millionaire but I am comfortable, happy and have come a long way...and will go further.""

I am not sure where you have heard that first argument but what I have consistently heard is the second argument. I fully agree with the heard argument. What you heard is isolated and that build confidence that the greater picture is for the greater good of the people.

"5) lower the prices of the products to be more competetive. If they are as superior as you all say, then lowering the prices will increase the volume by leaps and bounds, not only by IBO's but by non-IBO customers. The potential would be amazing."

I agree with this view. People and finances are not perfect marriages either.
However, I as an IBO, I'm only marketing and prosuming. The supplier, Quixtar, decides with the counsel of the affiliate partners the action to take regarding pricing.
With clients I can decide for how much I sell them a product or service in person. That much I can do.

"6) be more open as a company. A company that has done nothing wrong has nothing to hide, and has no reason to not be open, no matter what the issue is."

The company already is open and consistently working at it. It can't happen overnight for a fact, can it?
The issue at hand is critics who for personal reasons slander and defame a business opportunity that they do not either understand, take advantage of or purposefully misrepresent it for an ill gain.

"7)get new lawyers. The ones Q* has now just plain suck."

Are you an authentic, experienced lawyer standing for justice under one God?

"8)actually enforce the rules of conduct. Throw the trash out no matter what the level. "

The rules are to be enforced first by IBOs and second by Quixtar. Quixtar is the last resort to enforce them if they are not.
Therefore, IBOs must be able to enforce these rules of conduct to the best of their ability.
Once enforced and critics still complaining, Quixtar will have nothing to enforce except to pursue critics for libel.

Shall I continue...

 
At 12/10/2007 02:44:00 PM, Anonymous Joecool said...

going crown, you are defending a position that is not defensible.

Getting rid of universities is ridiculous. Colleges exist to educate people. Students who graduate make more money than non college grads. Where would doctors and other professionals come from without colleges?

What good does "quixtar" education do for most? The vast majority of quixtar IBOs don't even get paid as much as a welfare recipient. The money paid to the diamond helps fatten their bank accounts while the IBOs build debt.

You aren't going crown, you're going broke.

 
At 12/10/2007 05:57:00 PM, Anonymous Anna28 said...

I will not go into detail or waste my time respoding further to going broke...I mean going crown....

Joecool answered your crazy response nicely. But I will say in response to the lawyer comment...Why would I have to be a lawyer to recognize a crappy lawyer? That's like saying I am unable to recognize a crappy mechanic, dentist, accountant ect just because I am not practicing one of those professions. Doesn't make any sense.

 
At 12/11/2007 09:42:00 AM, Anonymous *Going Crown* said...

"Joecool said: Getting rid of universities is ridiculous. Colleges exist to educate people. Where would doctors and other professionals come from without colleges?"

What I said was told with a double purpose:

1)To make a parody of anna28's statement by taking the exact same statement she made and giving it a clearer direction

2)To realize if she becomes upset and defensive as a result of her self righteousness redirected without prejudice towards her.

Both, did happen.

"Joecool said: Students who graduate make more money than non college grads."

It seems to be the only way you think money is made and hence an obsession. I have answered the above in several instances but it went through one ear and exited through the other... on purpose.

"Joecool said: You aren't going crown, you're going broke."

Just because you did, does not mean I will too. I am independent of you. I am myself. I am unique. So are you. By your own choice, you became what you are today. By my choice I will become who I want to be: a free man, setting the world free of an evil, oppressive system that treats the working force like a commodity object.
That was a paper I was working on while in university, based on Karl Marx's work "Alienated Labor".

"Anna28 said: Why would I have to be a lawyer to recognize a crappy lawyer? That's like saying I am unable to recognize a crappy mechanic, dentist, accountant ect just because I am not practicing one of those professions. Doesn't make any sense."

Not at first sight. First, you know them by their works. That's where it stops for most people.
Going one step further, you realize whether they work in truth and in accomplishment of truth itself.
It is one thing to be deficient in skill but another in truth. Yet, so is truth universal, so does an undertaking require a level of faith to discover this truth. Being a lawyer is an open ticket to such undertaking.
Therefore, each has a perception of truth rooted in personal values.

 
At 12/11/2007 09:56:00 AM, Anonymous *Going Crown* said...

Continuation from the previous post.

Quot from "Alienated Labor" by Karl Marx, written in 1844:

"We shall start out from a actual economic fact. The worker becomes poorer the more wealth he produces, the more his production increases in power and extent. The worker becomes an ever cheaper commodity the more commodities he produces. The devaluation of the human world grows in direct proportion to the increase in value of the world of things. Labour not only produces commodities; it also produces itself and the workers as a commodity and it does so in the same proportion in which it produces commodities in general.

This fact simply means that the object that labour produces, its product, stands opposed to it as something alien, as a power independent of the producer. The product of labour is labour embodied and made material in an object, it is the objectification of labour. The realization of labour is its objectification. In the sphere of political economy, this realization of labour appears as a loss of reality for the worker, objectification as loss of and bondage to the object, and appropriation as estrangement, as alienation.

So much does the realization of labour appear as loss of reality that the worker loses his reality to the point of dying of starvation. So much does objectification appear as loss of the object that the worker is robbed of the objects he needs most not only for life but also for work. Work itself becomes an object which he can only obtain through an enormous effort and with spasmodic interruptions. So much does the appropriation of the object appear as estrangement that the more objects the worker produces the fewer can he possess and the more he falls under the domination of his product, of capital.

All these consequences are contained in this characteristic, that the worker is related to the product of labour as to an alien object. For it is clear that, according to this premise, the more the worker exerts himself in his work, the more powerful the alien, objective world becomes which he brings into being over against himself, the poorer he and his inner world become, and the less they belong to him."

 
At 12/12/2007 07:46:00 PM, Anonymous Joecool said...

Going crown, I challenge you to prove that quixtar is a better option than college. It might be hard since an average quixtar IBO earns $115 a month while college graduates earn far more than that.

 
At 12/13/2007 07:21:00 PM, Anonymous *Going Crown* said...

I am not going to challenge you on that regard. We have already spoken about it quite a few times and you keep on getting back to the same argument.
So, I am not going to challenge you. It's a waste of time on my part because once challenged, you start up from zero again, on purpose. Proven trend by you.

 
At 12/14/2007 03:44:00 PM, Anonymous Joecool said...

Thanks for making my case going crown.

You don't take the challenge because there is none.

 
At 12/16/2007 10:04:00 AM, Anonymous *Going Crown* said...

Yes, thank you for making your case to those who are in the same boat as you are.

I, for one, will not challenge idiots of your stature.

I realize that not only is my energy wasted in trying to have a rational argument with you but your cunningness and level of idiocy serve nothing more but to lower me to your level and eventually to set me back on the road of the typical average minded person who believes that working until 65 is the only way to be successful.


Keep that view to yourself and live by it. Let others chose as they please. They don't need your input.

I choose to focus and to accomplish my dream of what a life lived on one's terms and not the boss's terms is all about.

Good bye!

 
At 12/17/2007 12:04:00 PM, Anonymous Joecool said...

Going crown, the only argument you really need to make is that you are profiting, along with your downline.

On Tim's blog, you already established that you have been in quixtar for about 5 months, sponsored two people, and all of you are losing money thanks to your purchase of support materials.

That pretty much sums up why quixtar doesn't work.

 
At 1/07/2008 08:31:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its always funny to see IBO's on these sites fighting the rightious fight with non believers.
Yep I was in the business for 4 years hard! Did everything I was told by my upline, Direct and emerald that lead to near bankruptcy. Lost our house, furniture, car to fund the business and when business was slow the support we once had suddenly stopped. These leeches that professed to love me and my family and used emotional blackmail to squeeze everything we had, out of us did not even acknowledge us when we bumped into them in one of their dream building ventures. Taken us years to rebuild our lives, family relationships and friendships.

To you IBO's on here (I don't even know why you even come on these blogs), just because most people don't want to take up the opportunity doesn't mean they're "losers"!!! There are plenty of opportunities out there. You talk about sheep mentatlity of losers. Guess who the real sheep are? You guessed it, IBO's that listen to and read materials that have been "hand picked" to brainwash the mass!!! But hey the best luck to you all in building your business.....we'll catchup when you join us losers after failing in the business (well at least 95% of you will)

 
At 2/13/2010 02:03:00 PM, Blogger mack said...

I’m just share my views from top to bottom as I see them.
I feel this is a good simply because its consistent with how the user is used to seeing the comment form and filling out information in general. Filling out the name and email wont take me much time, and if you really wanted to go ahead and type the comment first, you can do so, not really that big of a work around.

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