Wednesday, October 10, 2007

Plan, understanding, me

I'm getting some comments lately along the lines of "You didn't understand the plan, that's why you are not in.  Stay broke".

Claim 1 : If I "understand" the plan, it's impossible to not be an IBO? I've seen and shown the plan many times. Explain me what I did not understand. Use as much words as you like.

Claim 2 : If I'm not in, I must be broke.

There are many wealthy people and most of them are not IBO. How come they're not broke?

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35 Comments:

At 10/11/2007 08:47:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Then why is your official nickname "Loser"? Do you happen to be proud of that nickname choice?

 
At 10/12/2007 05:21:00 PM, Anonymous andy said...

And, why are you posting as "anonymous"? Do you happen to be proud of being a nameless entity?

 
At 10/14/2007 06:46:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

God is also a nameless entity. We know Him by different names and yet we know not his real name. So, you have no valid point here, andy!

 
At 10/18/2007 01:45:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some of these Quixtar dummies are so dumb, they deserve to be in Quixtar.

Keep working your real job and losing money to Quixtar until you see through the scam. You deserve that.

Meanwhile, people who focus on a real job/career/profession will move up and have a great retirement.

You quixbots were told that 90% of people over 65 are broke. Either you are a moron to believe that or you are an immigrant who has not met Americans over 65.

 
At 10/21/2007 01:40:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Average Joe Boy/Joanna Girl,

I am a Canadian immigrant and my mentor is 100% Canadian born. He roughly makes $ 5000 CAN per month in his business plus he has flushed his job so to spend time with family.

So, shut up!

 
At 10/21/2007 02:15:00 AM, Blogger Loser said...

I make 6 grand a month from the blog ads.

More than your upline eh!

 
At 10/22/2007 06:34:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, Loser and his victorious sentences. Shut your sewage hole buddy!

 
At 10/22/2007 10:06:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, Loser and his victorious sentences. Shut your sewage hole buddy!

Keep slaving away at your 9-5 job. You need that money to buy the overpriced Quixscam products and weekly motivational tapes.

 
At 10/25/2007 08:39:00 PM, Anonymous Joecool said...

You know what's "dumber" than having a job?

(rolling eyes)

Having a job and using my paycheck on quixtar products and tapes and seminar tickets. At least without Quixtar, I keep my entire paycheck. :D

Want proof of my success? I get $7000 a month to run my blog!

 
At 10/26/2007 12:01:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"At least without Quixtar, I keep my entire paycheck. :D"

At least without Quixtar, I, as an employee, keep some of my paycheck, government keeps the rest in taxes!
MUUAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA..............!
YO DUUUUDE!!! YOOOO...!

 
At 10/29/2007 02:36:00 PM, Anonymous Joecool said...

"At least without Quixtar, I, as an employee, keep some of my paycheck, government keeps the rest in taxes!"

And with quixtar, you keep some of your paycheck, government keeps teh rest in taxes, and if there's anything left, it goes to upline diamonds to pay for tapes and seminars so you can learn to justify buying grossly overpriced products.

 
At 10/30/2007 10:52:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

wow joecool is getting smart as he usually does so let me ask you this.

can you pinpoint how much taxes the government takes from you when you are in business for yourself as opposed to being an employee? eh?

I don't think the government keeps the same rest but then how much... give me a figure.

grossly overpriced products...lol! 12 XS 250 ml energy drink cans sell for $ 24 CAN and 4 RedBull 250 ml energy drink cans sell for $ 11.50 or $ 12.00 CAN... plus RedBull is fucking awful, tastes like shitty Uncle Buckley's, gives you upset stomach and makes you drowsy after 10 minutes... for it made me.

but I guess you are a lover of RedBull, no wonder you spread some bull around here...

 
At 10/30/2007 01:50:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ah anonymous coward, we can debate the merits of your arguments.

As an IBO, you pay taxes thru your business, but since IBOs lose money, the refunds they receive are actually refunds on their JOB income tax, and not their businesses. It is even documented that platinums take a loss after deducting all of their expenses.

You can make a case for XS tasting better than red bull, but red bull costs about $32 for a case of 24 at Costco, while XS costs about $27 for a case of 12.

XS energy drink is 10 ounces and individually sells for about $2.50. I can get a Monster energy drink, which tastes good, for about $2.00 for a 20 ounce can.

Let me know what other arguments you wish to debate. :P

 
At 11/06/2007 01:16:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Monster Red Bull guy, shut up! Drink your Monster Red Bull. I will drink my XS because it tastes better, has no sugar, is low in calories, doesn't make me drowsy and guess what... $$$, I am paid for drinking it and for telling others about it! You can't do any of that I guess!

 
At 11/08/2007 07:09:00 PM, Anonymous Joecool said...

Hey anonymous guy - do the math. Pay $2.50 a can for XS and get a few pennies back. I pay $1.99
without a "rebate". I'm better off and whatever little rebate you get back, is taxable income to the IRS.

I'll agree with you that some XS drinks taste pretty good, but for the price, I'm just as happy drinking other types of energy drinks.

Also, I don't need to listen to tapes and attend expnsive seminars to learn how to pick an energy drink. :D

 
At 11/13/2007 02:39:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

They can't do the math, most don't know how, the rest are instructed not to by their upline. Who knows better than your upline right?? Pay no mind that numbers can't and don't lie. If the dream is big enough, the facts don't count. I take comfort in knowing that one day, in the not to far off furture, these words that the numerous, die-hard IBO's post here, will one day haunt them more than they could ever imagine.

 
At 12/05/2007 04:05:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This just demonstrates how messed up IBOs really are, they don't adjust to the market, simply keep showing the plan, using age old tactics. If you challenge their thoughts, be prepared to be berated. Real "Christian" way to earn a living.

I WAS an IBO and at first the XS energy drinks were competitively priced at $2 per can compared to the $2.50 for Red Bull, plus the health benefits and the variety of flavors, we sold quite a bit of these. However, not long after we started Red Bull dropped their prices (7.99 - 4 pack) customers then choose to go back to the Red Bull, because if you add the shipping costs on top of the price you would find the XS was overpriced. So ok, swallow all the shipping costs of the XS? y? To make 20 cents a can? This is going to buy me financial freedom? No, it wouldn't even pay for my weekly set of tapes!

But for all you IBOs, you keep on with your bad selves. You arfe so full of yourselves. Ever since I dropped the whole IBO thing I've bought a boat, travelled internationally and put my family through college. Now that I can apply my money from my "evil" corporate world job to my life. It is much more enjoyable I must say.....

 
At 12/06/2007 10:37:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"at first the XS energy drinks were competitively priced at $2 per can compared to the $2.50 for Red Bull, plus the health benefits and the variety of flavors,"

THEY STILL ARE EXCEPT THAT RED BULL GOT MORE EXPENSIVE ($ 11.48 FOR A PACK OF 4 CANS) AND STILL TASTES AS AWFUL IF NOT WORSE!

"because if you add the shipping costs on top of the price you would find the XS was overpriced."

XS WAS OVERPRICED BECAUSE... OF... ADDING THE SEPARATE SHIPPING COST WHICH IS INDEPENDENT OF THE FULL COST OF XS (TRANSPORTATION OF XS IS ALREADY PART OF THE FULL COST)... MAKES NO SENSE! SHIPPING IS THE SECOND PLAYER AFTER SO, YOU CAN ADD AN EXTRA COST ON TOP OF THE FULL XS PRICE WHICH DOES NOT MEAN THAT XS WAS ALREADY OVERPRICED! HOWEVER, QUIXTAR IS LOOKING INTO ELIMINATING THE SHIPPING FEES IN THE FUTURE! STILL THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT XS USED TO BE OVERPRICED!

LET ME ASK YOU THIS; IF YOU WERE TO ORDER A PRODUCT TO YOUR HOUSE, WOULDN'T YOU MOST LIKELY PAY EXTRA ON TOP OF THE FULL PRICE OF THE PRODUCT? YES, BUT STILL THAT DOESN'T MAKE THE PRODUCT OVERPRICED!

"So ok, swallow all the shipping costs of the XS? y? To make 20 cents a can? "

CLEAR, CONCISE AND PROPER USE OF ENGLISH IS REQUIRED PLEASE!

 
At 12/06/2007 01:04:00 PM, Anonymous Joecool said...

If XS is so great, how come IBOs who quit don't order it?

 
At 12/07/2007 03:04:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

HOW COME? BECAUSE THEY DID NOT BELIEVE IN THE BUSINESS, THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN THE PRODUCTS EITHER. THEY JUST USED THEM BECAUSE THEY SOMEHOW FELT FORCED TO USE THEM.
CLIENTS WHO ARE NOT IBOS USE THEM BECAUSE THEY LIKE THEM HENCE, BELIEVE IN THEM.
SOME OF THESE CLIENTS BECOME IBOS IN ADDITION TO REMAINING CLIENTS.

 
At 12/07/2007 06:17:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where the hell do you shop? Redbull $11.49 a 4 pack? I picked up a 4 pack at Jewel (a division of Albertson's) for 7.99 plus tax just two days ago. Plus it's 1.99 (per can) at almost every gas station I go to (Shell, BP, Mobil).

"XS WAS OVERPRICED BECAUSE... OF... ADDING THE SEPARATE SHIPPING COST WHICH IS INDEPENDENT OF THE FULL COST OF XS (TRANSPORTATION OF XS IS ALREADY PART OF THE FULL COST)... MAKES NO SENSE! SHIPPING IS THE SECOND PLAYER AFTER SO, YOU CAN ADD AN EXTRA COST ON TOP OF THE FULL XS PRICE WHICH DOES NOT MEAN THAT XS WAS ALREADY OVERPRICED! HOWEVER, QUIXTAR IS LOOKING INTO ELIMINATING THE SHIPPING FEES IN THE FUTURE! STILL THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT XS USED TO BE OVERPRICED!"

You are complaining about being clear and concise with the English? How about this, turn your freaking CAPS LOCK off you fucking moron! The point is when you run a business you have to look at the money that it costs you to put a product on your shelf and taking that into consideration, compare that to how much profit you make off of the product to determine it's true value. Secondly, how the hell do you think that shipping is already included when they charge you shipping anyways? Go to Quixtar, place an order for XS and try to tell me they don't charge you shipping. Divide that shipping cost by all the products that you sell, and then subtract it from the retail price, THEN subtract out your IBO price and then you will truly find what the value of a XS drink is.

Why do IBOs not drink XS? Because it tastes like PISS. I'll take ANY of the Energy drinks out there BEFORE XS, plain and simple.

BTW, how is the dream? Are you truly enjoying it? What I realized through it all. Dreams are intangible, you can always think of it, but never touch it. It wasn't until I refocused on my life that I realized the true satisfaction is life itself. It is much better than a dream....but hey just for ole time's sake, can I act like a Quixtar IBO? Yes? Ok? Then I will part by say "Goodbye Loser!"

 
At 12/07/2007 07:14:00 PM, Anonymous Joecool said...

Anonymous coward wrote: CLIENTS WHO ARE NOT IBOS USE THEM BECAUSE THEY LIKE THEM HENCE, BELIEVE IN THEM. SOME OF THESE CLIENTS BECOME IBOS IN ADDITION TO REMAINING CLIENTS.

Joe says: Repeating myself, why don't these same IBOs drink XS when they quit?

A case of (12) XS costs about $25 while a case of red bull (at Costco) costs $32, but that's for a case of 24!

 
At 12/10/2007 12:12:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT I HAVE PAID 11.48 FOR A PACK OF 4 CANS OF RED BULL AND THE VALUE I GOT IN EXCHANGE WAS POOR. I DRANK ONE CAN AND THREW OFF THE OTHER THREE.

I PAY 24.00 DOLLARS FOR A PACK OF 12 CANS OF XS. XS TASTES GREAT AND MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD AND EVEN MORE SO BECAUSE YOU ARE PAID TO DRINK IT AND TO MARKET IT TO OTHERS.

FOR THE GUY WHO THINKS THAT XS TASTES LIKE PISS, YOU SHOULD TASTE PISS FIRST AND THEN RECONSIDER.

RED BULL TASTES WORSE THAN PISS AND MAKES YOU FEEL EQUALLY SO. PISS IS NATURAL SO IT BLENDS WELL WITH NATURE ITSELF.

 
At 12/10/2007 02:49:00 PM, Anonymous Joecool said...

anonymous coward said: RED BULL TASTES WORSE THAN PISS AND MAKES YOU FEEL EQUALLY SO. PISS IS NATURAL SO IT BLENDS WELL WITH NATURE ITSELF.

Joe says: Then drink piss, it's cheaper than XS. :)

 
At 12/10/2007 11:16:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who was talking about speaking "clear & concise" English? From what you spew on this blog, it seems you need to take some refresher courses.

First, off you have no comprehension of what the word "Value" means. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that paying $11.48 for 4 energy drinks isn't good value, especially when the rest of the world is paying $7.99 for 4 Red Bulls. So who's the idiot?

In regards to XS tasting like piss, it is a figure of speech. Maybe you are still learning the language? Sometimes slang is the last thing to be picked up. It is referring to something that most people would equate with tasting bad. Which XS in my opinion, and MANY others, tastes bad. Once again it is an opinion. If you like the taste, god bless you, but on the same note you can't turn around and call people idiots for not liking the same tastes you do. Making a statement like 'XS tastes better than Red Bull' could NEVER be true, just is the same in reverse, because taste is very subjective and the right of the person doing the tasting. So try not to build up yuor taste-tyrant attitude.

If you are getting paid enough to cover the difference in costs then price shouldn't make a difference and great for you, seriously congratulations. Too bad the vast majority keep spending believing they are being paid to drink the stuff, when they are simply getting a "rebate" on over priced crap. For all those that gain financial freedom, how many lose a ton of money chasing the "dream"?

I know you will come back and continue to bang your head against the wall with arguing, Red Bull is $11.48 (when it isn't). Is that how your upline instructs you to handle rejection? Do you ever go to the store and compare the prices that they give you in their own BSMs? If you did, you would realize how costly Quixtar products are, but wait...just buy more!

Seriously, I understand the need to invest in order to gain, but you invest in something that has promise, not empty promises. BTW, a good rule of thumb is that any business that promises financial freedom, has got to be taken with SOME suspicion. Not that it isn't possible, but simply if it was true, don't you think everyone would do it?

So hopefully this "English" was "clear" and "concise". I tried to refrain from any "big" words. You can say I have made it IBO-Friendly. ;)

 
At 12/18/2007 05:05:00 AM, Anonymous Semper Fi said...

Lord have mercy that has gone on back and forth for a while. I'm an IBO. And I was wondering how long ago it was when you were an IBO. Quite a few things have changed. Like XS has several different flavors now ranging from Rootbeer to peach tea berry. I don't particualarly like all of the flavors myself but, as you commented not everyone shares the same tastes. And there are deals where if you buy $75 worth of whatever at a time the shipping is free.

I'm also a full time correctional officer. I work at night, and I make a vast majority of my sells at work. (We kind of have a need to stay awake.)Pretty much all of my fellow officers like one flavor or another of Xs. And I have tried just about if not every brand of energy drink on the market. I personally don't like how they taste. Obviously someone does or they wouldn't be in buisness. Another thing is, you can sell them at whatever price you like. So the profit you do or don't make is all up to you.

I go to the industry meetings. I don't go because I'm "Brain Washed", I go because there is a lot of positivity in the air. And I hear enough negative everywhere else. Not to mention we have a blast at the training sessions. Our meetings cost $5 to get in and that goes to covering the price of renting the conference room.

I'm not here to pick a fight about Quixtar, or call anyone dumb for choosing one way or another. But, there are some bad teams out there.
God knows there are some bad teams out there. The first time I joined, I was in the Marine Corp. The guy who brought me on as an IBO pretty much left me out to dry. I understood the plan but, he gave me no mentorship at all. Just kind of like:"Well, your an IBO now. Go out and become rich and let me know how it all works out for ya." I don't even know his name!!! It's not like that at all this go around. I'm on with a good upline and an awesome team.

I don't spend a lot of money on the cd's and I don't particularly buy because they will "sky rocket" my buisness. They do have some really good speakers and I enjoy hearing them speak. My favorite being Dean Kosage. He is halarious in the way that he presents things.

I can't speak for how quick star use to be, because I don't know. But I do believe we have a good thing going and there is money to be made. Just like anything else it will take time,effort, and some sacrifice of time.

We also have expanded our line of products tremendously as well. Some are cheaper than you can buy at the store, and some aren't. I like the SA8 laudry detergent personally. And the stain treatment has gotton things off of my uniform that the dry clears couldn't.

I have no desire to argue with you but, I would like to hear about some of your experiences while you were an IBO. And if you don't want to post them on here you can email them to me at setfreeliving25@yahoo.com

God bless all of you.
Jonathan

 
At 2/13/2009 04:45:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

TRUTH: Anyone, even new IBOs, can make large profits with Quixtar. You don't need the "bonus plan" to make money. When I had ZERO downlines I made $600 in my first month. I didn't have to keep any inventory, or supply any of the products. I signed customers up on the website and they shopped online. Quixtar shipped the products out of Michigan, processed the customer's credit card, and paid me the difference between IBO cost (wholesale) and retail. SIMPLE AS THAT.

And- to those who say you will lose money to Quixtar... It costs under $150 to register as an IBO, and then around $40 a YEAR after that. Last time I checked, it costs at least $250,000 to open a McDonalds. Quixtar seems to have a pretty cheap startup cost to run your own business to me.

 
At 3/03/2009 02:42:00 PM, Anonymous CT said...

Lol.. everyone talked about their upline making this and that. What about themselves? All uplines are taught bullshits to lure new IBOs in the hope that new IBOs will generate more money. All new downline will soon find themselves telling people they make 10,000 a year when they are actually making $ 500 a month. Or mayb 1000 PV (Quixtar imaginary money). Go look at the ACHIEVE magazine, all the emeralds and diamond levels are old people... arent they suppose to retire by what? 25? And Emeralds make less money than a manager with good health benefits, vacation and a huge house. If you do not have the quality/potential to succeed in corporate america, do not dream of starting a successful business.

 
At 3/03/2009 02:49:00 PM, Anonymous CT said...

I will like to add.. the only real way you can make money from Quixtar is if you are a good salesman. If you plan to buy 100PV a month and set up the pyramid business structure, I can guaranteed you will make less than a degree holder in a lifetime. If your downline is making 25% and you are making 25% of the BV points you wont me making anything. Do the math, maybe you should take a lesson from me.

 
At 4/13/2009 05:18:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can also make money in Amway if you are good at lying and deception.

 
At 4/30/2009 05:14:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Losing money to quixtar? Because of the 1099 and my intent to create profit, I was able to write off many deductables, if anything they saved me money and a butt load of headaches in paying taxes. Besides, all the tools were tax deductable including my registration. How can you be getting ripped off if you get it back in tax credit or refunds?

 
At 4/30/2009 07:37:00 PM, Blogger Joecool said...

Anon, if you are losing money in Amway and then writing it off, the US taxpayers are helping to pay for your scam.

 
At 5/28/2009 04:24:00 PM, Anonymous TomWi53092 said...

Anonymous writes: "Because of the 1099 and my intent to create profit, I was able to write off many deductables, if anything they saved me money and a butt load of headaches in paying taxes. Besides, all the tools were tax deductable including my registration.Actually Anon, the IRS determined long ago that all your motivational books and tapes, and all your motivational meetings, and related expenses, are NOT legally deductible. They determined that there is so little real education and training in these things that they don't qualify as a legitimate deduction.

I'll bet your upline kinda "forgot" to tell you that, eh?

I'm not saying you can't deduct them. Clearly you can, and you have. I'm just saying that if and when you get audited, these expenses will be disallowed and you will have to pay them back with interest and penalties.

 
At 1/07/2011 03:13:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yo-I used to be in that shit-for about 8 months. The part that finally got me was the cult-y feel I would get when I attended these seminars. Fucking wierdos. WHen I think that I used to try and sell these overpriced, shit ball products, I feel deep shame that I ever allowed myself to be duped by these brain dead idiots.

 
At 9/03/2012 02:16:00 AM, Anonymous Truth said...

You claim Amway and Quixtar suck but never explain why. Because you lost money? Maybe that just means YOU suck dealing with money.

Any valid reasons?

Just saying.

 

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